Posted on 12/19/2005 8:49:50 AM PST by radar101
Bush's fault!
And let's also not forget the satellite used to monitor events at Elohim City prior to the OKC bombing and COINTELPRO.
Truth is...the Government has been spying on citizens for decades. Only when it involves Bush are they outraged.
(Watch Pallywood for an example of their jounalistic integrity.)
ML/NJ
ECHELON is about 80 miles from me in Washington State (Yakima). I did a lot of reading on this several years ago..While it is illegal for US installations to evesdrop on citizens, it is NOT illegal for Australia to intercept every email/telephone call from it's sister installation....so the way this works from the info I read is that the US installation can follow everything happening in Europe/Australia and the Australian setup can listen in on everything happening in America - then they just trade data...avoids having to get warrants, etc. to eavesdrop since it is being done in both cases by a foreign entity...
These are the two words I've been mentioning in response whenever any idiot lefty brings up this FAKE news story designed to blow the Iraqi election success out of the headlines. "Carnivore...Echelon..." and I tell them to go look it up.
The TRUTH.....the Truth.....it doesn't matter to the left..
Strange thing though, not one mention of Clinton in the whole article. </sarcasm>
Seems it was all the NSA's fault back then.
We used to talk about Eschelon and Carnivore in our computer science classes.
I'm beginning to think privacy is just an illusion. Live in a small town and everyone knows your business. If it might be embarrassing, you ought not do it.
When will Jimmy Carter attack the President over the use of 50 USC sec. 1802? I can't wait. EO 12139.
There's a huge difference between the technical ability to collect data and the functional ability to search through it and utilize it.
I think they give the gvt too much credit.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. ;-)
I doubt it...He did it too.
It was Reagan that issued E.O. 12333
This is unmitigated garbage.
Speaking as a former member of the intelligence community, I can debunk at least some of this:
1. Eavesdropping on citizens is regulated by Intelligence Oversight and the Patriot Act. The circumstances under which a citizen can be surveilled are extremely limited, and even then tightly controlled.
Think for a moment - The folks at the NSA and FBI are people just like you and me. They're patriots for the most part, and while many people would do this sort of thing under the caveat "I was just following orders," a lot simply would not stand for it, and would break this wide open even under threat of arrest - and become the celebrated child of the mainstream media, complete with candlelight vigils outside Fort Leavenworth.
Massive spying on the U.S. public is *not* happening.
2. The U.S. has always been pretty tight-lipped with its allies, trusting them only as much as it has to. In countries like Canada or the U.K. where if this sort of surveillance became public knowledge the backlash would bring the government down, the U.S. just wouldn't risk it.
Members of Parliament (and Congress) are notoriously leaky with information like this.
Bottom line - It's not happening, there is no Big Brother, and this person is living in an alternate universe populated by aliens, conspiracy theories, and ghosts.
Common sense says the capability to do this surveillance is there, but says even more loudly that we aren't sharing that capability with ANY allies, and that it's use is governed in the strictest manner.
Of Course he did! Read the EO, and look at the implied emphasis on the word "any".
Bump this and send a copy to D.irty U.nderpants (DU) before they asphyxiate on their frothy spittle about nazi Bush.
Echelon
Carnivore
COINTELPRO
Elohim City Satellite (OKC bombing)
As I said before, the FedGov has been doing this for decades, but now all of a sudden the MSM and Dems are feigning outrage.
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