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Echelon; Worldwide Conversations Being Received (Transcript of 60 Minutes)
60 Minutes ^ | February 27, 2000 | Steve Kroft via Paul Wolf

Posted on 12/19/2005 8:49:50 AM PST by radar101

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Who was President in 2000?
1 posted on 12/19/2005 8:49:51 AM PST by radar101
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To: radar101
CLINTON!!!
2 posted on 12/19/2005 8:51:46 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: radar101
Doesn't matter! 70s, 80s, 90s!

Bush's fault!

3 posted on 12/19/2005 8:53:11 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: radar101
Same one that ran intel operations in the US related to the OKC bombing. From a previous post:

And let's also not forget the satellite used to monitor events at Elohim City prior to the OKC bombing and COINTELPRO.

Truth is...the Government has been spying on citizens for decades. Only when it involves Bush are they outraged.

4 posted on 12/19/2005 8:53:29 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: radar101
Why would anyone believe anything on 60 Minutes?

(Watch Pallywood for an example of their jounalistic integrity.)

ML/NJ

5 posted on 12/19/2005 8:54:39 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: radar101

ECHELON is about 80 miles from me in Washington State (Yakima). I did a lot of reading on this several years ago..While it is illegal for US installations to evesdrop on citizens, it is NOT illegal for Australia to intercept every email/telephone call from it's sister installation....so the way this works from the info I read is that the US installation can follow everything happening in Europe/Australia and the Australian setup can listen in on everything happening in America - then they just trade data...avoids having to get warrants, etc. to eavesdrop since it is being done in both cases by a foreign entity...


6 posted on 12/19/2005 8:55:29 AM PST by michaelbfree
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To: radar101

These are the two words I've been mentioning in response whenever any idiot lefty brings up this FAKE news story designed to blow the Iraqi election success out of the headlines. "Carnivore...Echelon..." and I tell them to go look it up.


7 posted on 12/19/2005 8:55:58 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: radar101

Duplicate.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543118/posts


8 posted on 12/19/2005 8:57:52 AM PST by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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To: michaelbfree

The TRUTH.....the Truth.....it doesn't matter to the left..


9 posted on 12/19/2005 8:58:55 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: radar101
There's a link to a 1999 Washpost article about Echelon here.

Strange thing though, not one mention of Clinton in the whole article. </sarcasm>
Seems it was all the NSA's fault back then.

10 posted on 12/19/2005 8:59:01 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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We used to talk about Eschelon and Carnivore in our computer science classes.

I'm beginning to think privacy is just an illusion. Live in a small town and everyone knows your business. If it might be embarrassing, you ought not do it.


11 posted on 12/19/2005 9:00:31 AM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: radar101
To process information on every single person, transaction or comunication would be impossible for any agency(ies) or country(ies)to collect and analyze. There is just too much of it going on to even monitor. If any one believes their comunication is being constantly monitored by an agency is either a criminal, terrorist, under ivestigation or a candidate for the rubber room.


12 posted on 12/19/2005 9:00:41 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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When will Jimmy Carter attack the President over the use of 50 USC sec. 1802? I can't wait. EO 12139.


13 posted on 12/19/2005 9:02:57 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: radar101

There's a huge difference between the technical ability to collect data and the functional ability to search through it and utilize it.

I think they give the gvt too much credit.


14 posted on 12/19/2005 9:03:45 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: darkwing104

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. ;-)


15 posted on 12/19/2005 9:04:22 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: massgopguy
When will Jimmy Carter attack the President over the use of 50 USC sec. 1802? I can't wait. EO 12139.

I doubt it...He did it too.

It was Reagan that issued E.O. 12333


16 posted on 12/19/2005 9:05:02 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: radar101

This is unmitigated garbage.

Speaking as a former member of the intelligence community, I can debunk at least some of this:

1. Eavesdropping on citizens is regulated by Intelligence Oversight and the Patriot Act. The circumstances under which a citizen can be surveilled are extremely limited, and even then tightly controlled.

Think for a moment - The folks at the NSA and FBI are people just like you and me. They're patriots for the most part, and while many people would do this sort of thing under the caveat "I was just following orders," a lot simply would not stand for it, and would break this wide open even under threat of arrest - and become the celebrated child of the mainstream media, complete with candlelight vigils outside Fort Leavenworth.

Massive spying on the U.S. public is *not* happening.

2. The U.S. has always been pretty tight-lipped with its allies, trusting them only as much as it has to. In countries like Canada or the U.K. where if this sort of surveillance became public knowledge the backlash would bring the government down, the U.S. just wouldn't risk it.

Members of Parliament (and Congress) are notoriously leaky with information like this.

Bottom line - It's not happening, there is no Big Brother, and this person is living in an alternate universe populated by aliens, conspiracy theories, and ghosts.

Common sense says the capability to do this surveillance is there, but says even more loudly that we aren't sharing that capability with ANY allies, and that it's use is governed in the strictest manner.


17 posted on 12/19/2005 9:20:19 AM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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Of Course he did! Read the EO, and look at the implied emphasis on the word "any".


18 posted on 12/19/2005 9:36:55 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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Bump this and send a copy to D.irty U.nderpants (DU) before they asphyxiate on their frothy spittle about nazi Bush.


19 posted on 12/19/2005 9:37:38 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Spiff
Thanks for reminding me about Carnivore. I'll add that to my list:

Echelon

Carnivore

COINTELPRO

Elohim City Satellite (OKC bombing)

As I said before, the FedGov has been doing this for decades, but now all of a sudden the MSM and Dems are feigning outrage.

20 posted on 12/19/2005 9:53:59 AM PST by ravingnutter
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