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To: JeffAtlanta; Hermann the Cherusker
as if we have the power to do anything anyway of our own

You don't believe that man is judged on his works? Here's a hint, Catholics tend to use language very precisely. Hermann did not put in the phrase "of our own" in as a lark, nor did he then follow it with a reference to Pelgaianism.

Works we do without faith and without God's grace can never amount to anything except "filthy rags."

Works done with faith and in cooperation with God's grace can be, literally, soul-changing.

SD

264 posted on 12/19/2005 1:31:58 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Works done with faith and in cooperation with God's grace can be, literally, soul-changing.

No need to give hints: we all get it.

Just to be clear, are you saying that works are required for salvation?

266 posted on 12/19/2005 1:39:00 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: SoothingDave

The bible says good works will not guarantee you a place in heaven. But if Christ is in your heart usually the fruit of the spirit manifests itself in good works.


289 posted on 12/19/2005 3:15:00 PM PST by nyconse
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To: SoothingDave; JeffAtlanta
Works done with faith and in cooperation with God's grace can be, literally, soul-changing.

Moreover, the grace within the changed soul is the cause of those works, and a man without those works does not have that grace. The works are not from us, but are done by us through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

A man with no good works clearly does not have the Holy Spirit.

392 posted on 12/20/2005 6:36:33 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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