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Christian 'megapastor' blasts believers on Dec. 25 dispute (defends decision to close)
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| December 19, 2005
Posted on 12/19/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by NYer
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To: A2J
1Co 10:23 - All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
This demonstrates that it's possible to have some things that are not sinful but also not be the best decision. These are the words of the Apostle Paul.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:42:53 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
To: SoothingDave
Attending Church as an "obligation" is the lowest form of devotion one can show toward the Creator. But it is a form of devotion.Unreal.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:43:16 AM PST
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: JamesP81
Good for him?? He was talking about someone else's church affairs! I don't agree with those 5 or 6 church's decisions but then I don't go there or pastor them. Guess he didn't have much else to talk about last week.
To: j_k_l
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:45:41 AM PST
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: Kolokotronis
"Liturgy?" "Liturgical calendar?" "Feast of Annunciation?" "Saturnalia?" It's much easier just to take the Bible and believe God's Word. (Colossians 2:8-16). No man is bound to holy days in New Testament Christianity.
To: j_k_l
Being that the churches referred to in New Testament were families meeting in homes, people who dont go to a "cathedral" are really closer to having church in the biblical sense of the word.You are correct. A church is a body of believers who gather together to worship God, share His word and pray for one another's needs. BTW, Merry Christmas to you and yours.
To: j_k_l
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If someone chooses to mark his birthday that day by going to a building with a bunch of other people and singing some songs, that is great. If someone chooses to gather with their family and celebrate that way, who is to say that is wrong?"
Superficially, that may be correct. But if I wanted to gather at the meeting house with other believers and you choose to keep the doors shut, it's wrong. Besides, I don't know your habits and am not pointing specifically at you, but VERY few who claim as you (the place of worship makes no difference) take the opportunity to worship at all outside the setting of gathered believers.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:48:02 AM PST
by
azhenfud
(He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
To: j_k_l
Did the prophets of the Old Testament go to "church"? Did they hangout in the temple? Nope. You think the OT prophets didn't attend Temple services? On what do you base this?
My problem with your statement is that someone can love God and never enter a church. The whole church concept as we know it today is man contrived. We are told to not forsake the gathering of believers. I can do that at my house, their house or even Starbucks for that matter. It has nothing to do with my love for God.
Getting together with your own hand-picked friends and family is not a "gathering of believers." The Church is public and open to all believers, not just a private meeting.
If someone chooses to mark his birthday that day by going to a building with a bunch of other people and singing some songs, that is great. If someone chooses to gather with their family and celebrate that way, who is to say that is wrong?
Again, public versus private. Worship is supposed to be a gathering of all believers, not a bunch of little private parties.
SD
To: SoothingDave
I say that someone attending Church because the Church, speaking as God's representative on earth, mandates you attend, Chapter and verse please.
From the bible, of course.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:48:39 AM PST
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: SoothingDave
Yep. I believe there has to be at least one other person present, besides the priest, because the Mass is a public, not a private event.In addition, that extra "person" can be valuable as a deterent to crime by the priest.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:51:20 AM PST
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: JeffAtlanta
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No, getting people to believe that going to church is going to save their soul is Satan's objective."
True - to a point. Yet again, one may wish to gather to worship with believers - not for the reason you think - but because worshipping in a SANCTUARY affords a sense of peace not found in other environments.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:52:13 AM PST
by
azhenfud
(He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
To: A2J
In addition, that extra "person" can be valuable as a deterent to crime by the priest. Don't be an ass. It greatly devalues anything else you say.
SD
To: randog
Yes, in the megachurch mentality, we wonder if there is any difference between Christmas and Superbowl Sunday. Weece says that people are not the enemy, "the devil is..." The megachurch metality is a blending of churchianity with the course of this world, with which the devil, who is the prince and power of the air is directly involved.
New Testament Christianity causes separation from the world's course, and it produces STRANGERS and PILGRIMS with regard to the course, styles and fashions of this world. It is the way of those who give no place to the devil, and see the entertainments and distractions of the world as an unholy and Christ dis-honoring course, if followed.
To: Larry Lucido
Good for him?? He was talking about someone else's church affairs! I don't agree with those 5 or 6 church's decisions but then I don't go there or pastor them. Guess he didn't have much else to talk about last week.
The bible states that we are to exhort our brethren when they need it to help them follow Christ as closely as possible. As much as I believe in church autonomy (that's the baptist in me talking), if you're church claims to be christian, what it does is the business of all christians, everywhere. The 'church' after all is defined as the believers in Jesus Christ.
When my pastor mentioned megachurches closing, it was only like a 2 minute spot in the sermon. It mostly concentrated on the commercialization and secularization of Christmas. This was something of a sidenote, although a worthy one at that.
To: Capriole
You can take part in the Mass too.
If you are not Catholic, you are invited to come up for a blessing during Communion. Just indicate you dont wish to receive the Eucharist by crossing your hands over your chest.
I see you live in Maryland. Here is a link to the diocese in your state since I don't know exactly where you live.
Maryland Parishes by County/Map
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:53:02 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: JeffAtlanta
Consider, the prophets of the Old Testament for example.There's your problem.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:53:34 AM PST
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: azhenfud
VERY few who claim as you (the place of worship makes no difference) take the opportunity to worship at all outside the setting of gathered believers. Exactly my point - a person that only worships when at church is not a believer in the first place.
Being a believer is not a two hour a week exercise. Being a true believer means that Christ is at the center of your world. The church building is just a meeting location for fellowship.
To: NYer
"I was deeply saddened"
Is Weece related to Tom Daschle?
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:55:17 AM PST
by
BeHoldAPaleHorse
(MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
To: NYer
Hot Damn! all along I thought that churches were in the business that concerns Christmas.
There is no justification for churches being closed on Christmas day and the local nude bar being open for a booming business.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:56:12 AM PST
by
OKIEDOC
(There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
To: Motherbear
The Southern Baptist Church that I attend is having a service on Sunday morning. It is also having a service on Christmas Eve. I am not sure about Sunday night. I won't be here to go.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:56:59 AM PST
by
MamaB
(mom to an Angel)
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