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True tale of Cold War terror - Account of 1969 sinking of Soviet sub has lessons for today
Flint Journal ^ | December 18, 2005 | Doug Allyn

Posted on 12/18/2005 6:56:53 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 12/18/2005 6:56:56 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I believe it was speculated that the sub's captain had decided to wage W.W. 3 on his own...(?)


2 posted on 12/18/2005 7:02:30 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I thought that sub was found from triangulating the noise from the implosion?

Any way Why didn't the Russians know the location of their own sub?

Usually they did. They just looked for P-3s circling overhead...

3 posted on 12/18/2005 7:07:33 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bfl


4 posted on 12/18/2005 7:14:46 PM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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Wasn't there a special on the History Channel or the Discovery Channel about this some years ago? I recall watching something that sounds real familiar to this. Wasn't the Glomar Explorer created for this? IIRC, the govt' actually brought up some of the wreckage and it seemed that it all just kind of disappeared or faded into the woodwork. It seems to me that the ending of the whole affair was very vague.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 7:20:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: gridlock

From what I saw in an ad, it appears the sub wanted to bomb Pearl Harbor, but give the credit to the Chinese.
That way the US and China would fight a war (destroying China, which was one goal of Russia) and probably leaving China divded between the the USA and the USSR along east-west lines.
But I doubt the sub capt. could have acted on his own;
a much larger Soviet plot may have been involved.


6 posted on 12/18/2005 7:22:33 PM PST by CondorFlight
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Three bits of evidence here make me question this WW3 stuff.

1) No radio contact for 4 days
2) No radio contact upon surfacing.
3) The sub exploded.

The facts could be explained by a massive electrical surge as the result of a nuke containment failure...which isn't too absurd a guess given Soviet-era quality control. Not that the doomsday scenario isn't possible--just that it seems a more unlikely reason for those facts. Anyone know if the explosion was radioactive beyond simply reactor leaks after a sub sinking?


7 posted on 12/18/2005 7:22:42 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Cowards cut and run. Marines never do. Murtha can ESAD, that cowardly, no-longer-a-Marine, traitor.)
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To: metmom

If this is the one I am thinking of, the US eventually either turned some bodies over to the Russians, or turned over photos of a burial at sea of the bodies that came up with the wreckage.


8 posted on 12/18/2005 7:31:02 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bump


9 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:43 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Spring 1968.

"Prague spring".
Paris riots.
Tet.

Soviets might have thought something daring was worth a try.


10 posted on 12/18/2005 7:32:59 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not buying that scenario at all.


11 posted on 12/18/2005 7:36:47 PM PST by cynicom
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To: metmom

Glomar Explorer was built (by Howard Hughes for the CIA) to recover a lost Russian sub and did recover at least part of it with bodies inside ...........I saw film of a burial at sea(Discovery Channel I think) .........not sure if this is the same sub but it sounds like it...........original cover story for Glomar Explorer was "mining of the ocean floor" ........I remember an article to that effect in the Weekly Reader in high school


12 posted on 12/18/2005 7:37:26 PM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: LibertarianInExile
The facts could be explained by a massive electrical surge as the result of a nuke containment failure.

Except that it appears to have been a diesel - electric boat (Golf), which would fairly definitively rule out a reactor failure.

13 posted on 12/18/2005 7:37:59 PM PST by PAR35
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" Usually they did. They just looked for P-3s circling overhead..."

I was an aviation machinists mate in an ASW squadron based at NAS Alameda from 69-70. The Russians were off the coast all the time and we were on them like white on rice. The general public didn't have a clue about what was going on just a few miles from them.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:11 PM PST by dljordan
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But if the Russians were planning a nuclear war, why would they attack Pearl Harbor? From a strategic standpoint, it made no sense.

But from a psychological standpoint it would have been a devastating, iconoclasmic blow to the "greatest generation" who held the reigns of American government and industry.

Exactly the sort of attacks that AQ plans and executes.

15 posted on 12/18/2005 7:40:36 PM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: PAR35

curiosity having gotten the better of me,I found thishttp://w3.the-kgb.com/dante/military/mission.html ..............or just goooooooogle "Glomar Explorer"


16 posted on 12/18/2005 7:42:29 PM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: PAR35; metmom

Film/photos of the burial at sea of a half dozen bodies that were recovered.


17 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:11 PM PST by PAR35
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To: dljordan

That was a paraphrase of a statement by a Soviet Admiral.


18 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:28 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

LOL!


19 posted on 12/18/2005 7:43:50 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Finding it could have been easy. The K-129 had been photographed from space by American spy satellites ...

American spy satellites in March 1968? The technology was in its infancy at that point ... not likely.

20 posted on 12/18/2005 7:44:50 PM PST by BluH2o
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