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Australians are an obedient people - but for how long?
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | December 19, 2005 | David Marr

Posted on 12/18/2005 11:16:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

SYDNEY is suddenly a city of police and rumours. Only the other day we were basking in fresh accolades for a city rated among the most liveable in the world. And now the world is watching with us these unimaginable scenes of roadblocks, searches, arrests and massed police patrolling half-deserted beaches.

Time and the courts will decide how effective the police were this weekend. For now, these past few days will be remembered as the first time in the history of this city that a trip to the beach meant passing a cordon of fully armed police.

Rumours were everywhere - rumours of deaths and bombings, rumours of a convoy on the way from Melbourne, rumours that this or that beach will be the next to be locked down. For days the city has been feeding on rumours and ugly text messages. Anything seems possible - any trouble and any police retaliation.

And we took it so calmly. For months there has been a controversy over the tough new stop-and-search powers in John Howard's latest package of anti-terrorism legislation. They are nothing to this. Yesterday Sydney showed extraordinary patience in the face of customary rights overturned.

Boots were opened, cars searched, people questioned, mobile phones inspected, with hardly a protest across the city. What we saw in operation was something not often acknowledged by Australians: we are an obedient people. We don't like politicians much, but we trust governments and the police. We do what they say.

Jane, from Coogee, was surprised to find three police on her bus asking to inspect mobile phones. Each took a phone at random and scrolled through messages for five or ten minutes. Everyone obeyed. "The people were perfectly friendly about it," she said. "I thought it was a bit weird and a breach of privacy. But I didn't say anything. Nobody did."

At least for now, Sydney has given the police the benefit of the doubt. But the question left hanging is how far the city's obedience can be pushed.

The Premier, Morris Iemma, is talking about a "long, hard fight" ahead, perhaps all summer, to make the streets "safe for all peace-loving citizens".

So how long are we going to put up with police cordons between us and the surf? Jane was startled by the police on her bus, but she's already getting used to it. "It could go on."


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hoodlums; nationalsecurity; sydneyriots; terror; trop
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To: Voltage

They were trying to do it piece-meal. They wanted to establish muslim ghettos that could be incubators for what you propose. If future immigrants from the muslim world were not settling in these ghettos, they could be better assimilated into western culture. This would diminish the aility to contol and brainwashg the muslim immigrants into jihad. The goal is to create no-go enclaves of radical islam that will be the seeds of jihad.


21 posted on 12/18/2005 11:43:54 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Thanks for that amazing story you cited from Aussieland. We are nearing that situation here in our major cities, due to multiculturalism, open borders and PC communications--all backed by the RATs.


22 posted on 12/18/2005 11:46:41 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: DJ Taylor

The article is helpful, but out of nearly 40,000 words, Muslim only comes up 5 times. Are they, or are they not, the problem?


23 posted on 12/18/2005 11:48:12 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who have dementia.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There was NOTHING WRONG with Japanese "internment camps". The Japanese "Americans" had problems with divided loyalty. I say we need just the "camps" for Moslems today!


24 posted on 12/18/2005 11:50:59 AM PST by zzen01 (get with i)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People are a lot smarter than given credit for, they know that there are times when things have to be done that nobody likes. The paranoids who think rights are being "taken away" simply don't understand that extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures.


25 posted on 12/18/2005 11:52:02 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: McGavin999
I'm not on the ground in Australia so I won't comment on what is going on there.

I know mobs have taken off in L.A. feeling put upon and righteous and/or encouraged to riot. I am not equating the two. I'm just commenting that people get caught up in things believing they have the right.

So I believe the right to crack down on this violence to protect innocent people is right.

26 posted on 12/18/2005 12:01:43 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: zzen01
There was NOTHING WRONG with Japanese "internment camps".

Then why not German internment camps? Weren't their loyalties divided too?

27 posted on 12/18/2005 12:03:17 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Then why not German internment camps?

The Germans did not ATTACK PEARL HARBOR!

28 posted on 12/18/2005 12:16:07 PM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Galveston Grl

It's somewhat ironic that Australia has a conservative government which has dropped the ball on this issue, much like Bush dropped the ball on illegal immigration.


The politicians don't seem to understand that if government doesn't do its job, then the people will take the law into their own hands.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 12:16:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You do what you need to do to protect the innocent.

No, at some point you have to put a stop to police searches without probable cause. I know laws are different there, but if a cop here asked to rifle through my cell phone, I'd tell him to go try to get a warrant.

30 posted on 12/18/2005 12:27:00 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Then we should have interned Germans and Russians......

Do you mean Italians? The Russians were on our side.

31 posted on 12/18/2005 12:29:51 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Balding_Eagle
"Are they, or are they not, the problem?"

Good question. Are Muslims the problem, or is that we are just unable to effectively deal with Muslims, or any other uncivilized people, because of our penchant for political correctness?

32 posted on 12/18/2005 12:32:27 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: PAR35
If you're in the middle of a riot?

Then you are suspect.

If you have nothing to hide you cooperate with law enforcement.

You can nitpick and try to make first responders look bad but that only assists the guilty.
33 posted on 12/18/2005 12:33:30 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PAR35

They weren't in the cold war.

But yes! Should the Italians been interned?


34 posted on 12/18/2005 12:34:26 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: zzen01
The Japanese "Americans" had problems with divided loyalty.

Especially the ones who were born here. Especially after they were imprisoned for existing. And especially after the government forced them to sell their property to whites at 'fire sale' prices (the Nazis did exactly the same thing to the Jews).

35 posted on 12/18/2005 12:37:19 PM PST by Grut
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Actually several thousand Germans & Italians were in fact interned during the war.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 12:40:51 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You do what you need to do to protect the innocent.

But are they protecting the innocent, or are they protecting order at the expense of the innocent as well as the guilty? The problem with stopping 'disorder' is that 'disorder' is the dictator's word for 'freedom'.

37 posted on 12/18/2005 12:43:46 PM PST by Grut
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That is TR in the painting behind the President, isn't it?

Sounds like the bully pulpit is going to get a good workout starting tonight.

38 posted on 12/18/2005 12:44:29 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: Nebr FAL owner

Thank you for the information.

But it wasn't equitable.


39 posted on 12/18/2005 12:45:00 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pierrem15

I can't wait to hear Bush tonight.


40 posted on 12/18/2005 12:45:25 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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