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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Regardless of whether or not you belive that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 9:52:47 AM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13

Or, one might consider, that it is all a natural process. An ebb and flow. The same open water might be providing expanded habitat for whales and other marine life.

I am sure some seals are not too shook up that going up for air doesn't have to mean a quick dart for a bubble of air up through a twelve inch hole in the ice guarded by a fat polar bear.

In nature, the glass is always full..the content of which is for study.


25 posted on 12/18/2005 10:01:07 AM PST by LearsKent
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To: conserv13

The idea that we can change the climate, whether for the warmer or the cooler, is nonsense. The climate of the Earth has been changing for billions of years, not because of or in spite of man. We are NOT going to alter that.


31 posted on 12/18/2005 10:17:11 AM PST by Laserman
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To: conserv13
Regardless of whether or not you belive that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

I've purchased a pair of shorts, sun block, and use more ice in my drinks. What have you done to cool the planet?

32 posted on 12/18/2005 10:17:39 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: conserv13
Regardless of whether or not you belive that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

We can no more change the long term weather patterns than we can prevent our sun fom dying billions of years from now. We'll deal with the results, so long as God allows it.

33 posted on 12/18/2005 10:18:11 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: conserv13
Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

If so we will by the same way it has been done for the last 15,000 years - by moving inland.
39 posted on 12/18/2005 10:25:07 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: conserv13

Okay, I'm ready to join you to stop global warming. What's your plan? Can we be done in a year? How much are we going to warm up the earth? RSVP


44 posted on 12/18/2005 10:31:06 AM PST by Freeper john
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To: conserv13
Climate change has been going on for thousands of years and now it is a problem?
45 posted on 12/18/2005 10:33:21 AM PST by Recon by Fire
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To: conserv13

The issue of whether or not man is at fault for any alleged global warming is the fulcrum of the entire debate.

If man is not at fault, what do you propose can possibly be done to reverse a natural tide?

Those who assert man is at fault, have a long list of behavioral changes to "solve" the problem. The nature of that list is predominantly Marxist. Odd that in nearly every country where Marx's theories have been and are being put to the test, man's behavior that allegedly contributes to global warming is at its worst.


47 posted on 12/18/2005 10:33:58 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: conserv13
"Regardless of whether or not you believe that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

The best way to "deal with it" is to adapt to it. It is a naturally occurring process. Get used to it. If it's getting too warm where you live, put on a hat. If it's getting too cold, put on a sweater. (or a parka) For that matter, you could move someplace where the climate is more to your liking.
48 posted on 12/18/2005 10:34:07 AM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: conserv13
Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

Nothing to do but let the world's political hacks enact all sorts of agenda-driven laws and regulations controlling human activity on every square inch of the planet.

Probably won't do anything to impact global warming, but will certainly make us all feel good. (Well, those who are part of the ruling elite, anyway. It'll suck for the rest of us though.)

Any person (or group) given the authority to stop global warming could tell people where to live, what they could do with their land and regulate their housing. Such power could tell people how much water they could have in their toilets, and how much heat, air conditioning and electricity they could use.

If you had the powers arising from such authority, you could control the amount of television people watch by rationing of electrical power. You could tell them what they were allowed to drive, and how much gas they could use. You could force them out of their cars and into public transportation (See Earth in the Balance, by Al Gore). You could impose manufacturing production quotas and regulate the world’s industries to the point where you would essentially own them. You could even tell people how many children they are allowed to have.

You would, in fact, rule the world and all the people in it.

Wanting to rule the world is nothing new. People have been trying to do that since the first humans pressed beyond their own local habitat and realized that there were other people living in the next valley.

In the 20th century, the drive to rule the world achieved its greatest expression with rise of socialism and the Communist empire. Back then, the social engineers believed that they could achieve ultimate Power Over Others by commanding every aspect of the economy. But of course, that didn’t work. Draconian government control of the economy proved unsustainable, to borrow the environmentalists’ favorite word. Thus Communism collapsed, leaving over 100 million murder victims in its wake, and with it went the dreams of millions of social engineers around the world who looked to it as a model for humanity and their ticket to power.

So now that communism has no credibility left, here come the environmentalists to protect us right out of our lives.

No thanks.

The Environmental movement needs to abandon the so-called "Precautionary Principle" and instead adopt the first rule of the Hippocratic Oath: "First DO NO HARM."

57 posted on 12/18/2005 10:42:59 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: conserv13

A significant number of scientists say that climate change has not been proven. You cannot take a couple of hundred years of data and say it proves something about the climate of a five billion year old planet.


58 posted on 12/18/2005 10:43:34 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: conserv13

How can we deal with something that we are not responsible for? To date there has been NO SCIENTIFIC proof that any global warming is caused by mankind. Interestingly, Mars also has a similar trend in global warming. Are we to blame for that too.


60 posted on 12/18/2005 10:46:00 AM PST by Exton1
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To: conserv13
Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

More sunscreen and more ice for the beer is working for me.......Unfortunately it hasn't done anything in terms of shortening our winters here in Michigan and for that I am pissed off!

61 posted on 12/18/2005 10:47:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (It must suck being an Islamofascist.......I don't bring them Christmas presents)
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To: conserv13
Let us assume that climate change is real. This is a fairly easy assumption since the climate has been changing since the earth was formed. Let us further assume that man hasn't caused climate change simply for the reason that climate HAS changed constantly over the billions of years the earth has existed.

If this is the case we can't "deal" with climate change. We can't affect it no matter what we do. We will either adapt physically, as will all the animals concerned, or we, and they, will die.

A little history of the Polar Bear is in order here I think. Polar Bears are thought to be a sub species of Brown Bears(Grizzlies to most of us). They can breed with the brown bear and produce a fertile offspring. Sometime in the past these bears learned how to survive in an arctic environment. Why? Because they climate changed from warm to colder providing a steady source of food, seals, and some brown bears learned to live on the ice, the ones with the characteristics that enabled them to survive lived, the others died. Presto, we had polar bears, which actually came into existence about 100,000 years ago.

If climate change causes them to go away again this is called nature and it has always happened and will happen to humans one day probably.

We cannot affect climate change, therefore we can't "deal" with it except to learn how to adapt to it. I am sure getting used to slightly warmer weather will not be that big of a chore for most of us, what will be difficult is when the climate changes back again in the future and we have another ice age.

Speaking of ice age, what happened to the theory that global warming will cause global cooling? Won't that save the Polar Bears?

Just another lie from your friendly liberal scare mongers trying to control the people with fear.

63 posted on 12/18/2005 10:51:02 AM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: conserv13
Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

Describe to me one thing that we can do that guarantees the reversal of Global Warming within the next 10 years or that we can do to save one Polar Bear from drowning.

I'm am really tired of hearing that Global Warming is happening, it may well be, but given the number of natural factors that seem to control the climatic model, "dealing with it" in terms of human actions or lack thereof seems to be futile except to the extent that someone might make money from of feel better by the attempt.

73 posted on 12/18/2005 11:20:15 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: conserv13
Climate change happens. What happened to the previous ice age? What caused the warming then? There weren't combustible engines then. So what caused it?

http://www.junkscience.com/
91 posted on 12/18/2005 11:41:44 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: conserv13
Regardless of whether or not you belive that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

So assuming one does not think man caused it what exactly do you propose we do to deal with it ?

Sacrifice virgins to the sun god to stop warming the planet to much ?

Sacrifice virgins to the volcano gods' to not belch any pollutatnts into the air ?

Sacrifice virgins to the fire gods to quench the mine fires that put more pollutants into the air than the entire US combined ?

(Incidentally any virgins who wish to ensure that they are no longer eligible for virgin sacrifices please freepmail me. ;-)
93 posted on 12/18/2005 11:55:27 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: conserv13

That's silly; if we don't know for sure we caused we can't possibly know what course of action we should take to correct it.

Maybe we should just airlift some food to the polar bears.


118 posted on 12/18/2005 1:50:57 PM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: conserv13
Regardless of whether or not you belive that man caused global warming, this is a real problem. Climate change is real and we need to deal with it.

Please, do tell us how to fix it!

148 posted on 12/19/2005 11:07:21 AM PST by dearolddad
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