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To: peyton randolph

"Throw in the special undergarments"

Hadn't heard about those - what's that about?


90 posted on 12/17/2005 9:22:41 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Let's Roll
Hadn't heard about those - what's that about?

Mormons wear magical ('sacred') undergarments for protection from harm.

Not really surprising for a 'religion' that was founded by a treasure hunter.

107 posted on 12/17/2005 9:34:40 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Let's Roll; peyton randolph
Hadn't heard about those - what's that about?

What do you want to know?

It wouldn't be advised to listen to people like peyton randolph.

You want to know what its about? OK. It has nothing at all to do with magic.

Lets start with a real explaination, not the ignorant types being spewed here.

First, lets establish this bit of background information: are we saved my grace or works? In Mormon theology we are saved by the grace of Christ. Period. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Mormons believe Christ is the savior of mankind so that we can each return to live in Heaven.

Christ also has another role other than just being The Savior. He is also our Judge.

Last day, we all die, we go up there, someone is going to Judge who is going where. That is Christ.

Those people who say "I am already saved" believe that Christ has already made and passed judgement on them. Mormons believe that a full blown judgement doesn't happen until the end for 99.999% of all people.

With this being the case, Christ as our Judge has the perogative to say who enters Heaven and who does not. It is no one else's responsibility. He does tell us though HOW He will judge though.

Hence, Mormons believe that Christ will judge us all of our works, good or bad and He will make the call. Hence, Mormons believe that we will be judged according to our living of the commandments of God that we get in the scriptures, etc. So, in other words you have to be obedient to the laws and covenants because it is by these we are judged. We have to be obedient in order to recieve Grace because Christ can extend Grace to whomever He wants to and deny it as well based on His perfect knowlege of things.

Now a word on covenants. Baptism is a covenant between man and God. When one gets baptised God sets the rules and we agree to abide them. We are not negotiating with God about which scriptures to follow.

What does all this have to do with 'undergarments'?

Those 'undergarments' are not 'magical', but they are symbolic to the person who wears them. They symbolize the covenants one makes with God. We don't wear them on the outside for everyone to see because our committment to God is an internal affair.

Secondly, it is symbolic to the wearer in other ways.

See Gen 3:21

When Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden God gave them a covenant along with and in connection to clothes.

The symbolism being that without A)Christ and B)our Covenants man is naked and nothing. One cannot be saved without a Savior and without Covenants.

Hence the wearing of the 'undergarments' is a symbol to the wearer and the wearer only that he or she must at all times be true to God.

169 posted on 12/17/2005 11:13:37 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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