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Posted on 12/16/2005 8:09:30 PM PST by Dajjal
By Patrick Devenny
Published 12/15/2005 12:07:50 AM
President Ahmadinejad's speech before the UN General Assembly in September was a towering diplomatic dud. Instead of assuaging the prim gentlemen in the audience -- who are always willing to suffer through long harangues from third-world despots, as long as they paint the West as omnipresent villain -- Ahmadinejad indulged in warlike hyperbole, threatening to "reconsider" his nation's supposedly peaceful pursuit of nuclear energy if Washington and its allies continued to "impose their will" on Iran. The vitriol stood out in the staid chambers of the UN, giving rise to another round of vigorous brow-furrowing among the gathered elites.
Less well publicized -- but no less important -- was the content delivered near the end of Ahmadinejad's speech. Instead of hard-edged provocations concerning his country's quest for nuclear power, Ahmadinejad unexpectedly delved into the mystical, stating:
"From the beginning of time, humanity has longed for the day when justice, peace, equality and compassion envelop the world. All of us can contribute to the establishment of such a world. When that day comes, the ultimate promise of all divine religions will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being who is heir to all prophets and pious men. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."
The "repository" of which Ahmadinejad spoke is the 12th Imam, or Mahdi, who Shi'ite theology holds will return it some distant date to bring about an earthly utopia. Of course, any mention of religion inside the palace of effete secularism would have raised eyebrows, but Ahmadinejad's fire and brimstone must have been particularly confusing to those unaccustomed with the finer points of myopic Shi'ite mysticism. Ahmadinejad evidently failed to pick up on the discomfort of the audience, however. During a recent discussion with leading cleric Ayatollah Amoli, Ahmadinejad revealed that he had sensed "a light" surrounding him as soon as he uttered the words "in the name of God." With the favor of the divine in place, Ahmadinejad suggested that the spectators at the UN "had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic" and that the incandescent specter prevented them from blinking.
To most Iranians, President Ahmadinejad's revelations and over-the-top religious imagery are standard faire. While undoubtedly magnified by rumor and street chatter, Ahmadinejad's confirmed relationship with religious extremists, along with the degree to which he has embraced their bleak and violent visions, is a sufficient cause for concern.
AHMADINEJAD'S ODD FIXATION ON the apocalypse may stem from his close association with Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, a fire-brand cleric who advocates total separation from the West. Mesbah-Yazdi has lived in virtual isolation for the past 20 years, holed up in de-facto exile in the Shi'ite holy center of Qom. Considered extreme even by the hard-liners of the ruling Guardian Council, Mesbah-Yazdi is thought to be a rival of Supreme Guide Ayatollah Khamanei, the two having clashed quietly over political and doctrinal issues. Such a fissure is not difficult to imagine, given Mesbah-Yazdi's fanatical devotion to the tenets of extremist Shi'a Islam, which -- in his estimation -- justify the immediate execution of those who dare insult the religion. Mesbah-Yazdi has also suggested that killing "intellectuals" is sanctioned by God himself, and that "pluralism" is Satanic trickery.
The invective of Mesbah-Yazdi is usually transmitted in the pages of Parto Sakhan, a Qom-based daily which regularly pillories anyone who deviates from the extremist line. Targets in the past have included Presidents Rafsanjani and Mohammad Khatami, who was deemed especially "problematic." Other pages are devoted to the recruitment of suicidal "martyrs" to be deployed in Iraq or against the "Jews in occupied Palestine."
With the elevation of Ahmadinejad -- who considers the mad Ayatollah his chief "spiritual guide" -- Mesbah-Yazdi may no longer be relegated to the shadows. Already, close advocates of his maniacal brand of Islam have stepped into leadership positions, including, most notably, Mojtaba Hashemi Samareh, the president's chief political operative. Mesbah-Yazi acolytes were also thought to have played a leading role in Ahmadinejad's cabinet selections, which were notable both for their lack of credentials and their excess religiosity. Additionally, internal security agencies have been placed under the command of Mesbah-Yazdi followers.
Upon his assumption of office in Iran, Ahmadinejad chaired a formal meeting of ministers and deputies. The first order of business, suggested the new president, was the ratification of an agreement between the government and the 12th Imam. Apparently unfazed by the paranormal request, the presidential-loyalists signed the agreement, which was then dropped down the Jamarakan Well, a likely setting for the return of the Long Awaited One.
This story -- sourced mostly to opponents of the regime -- seems so farcical that its authenticity is indeed somewhat questionable. However, its central suggestion that Ahmadinejad is a devoted religious literalist -- one who believes that the goal of national leaders is to ready the world for the reemergence of divine guidance -- seems increasingly accurate. From his first day in office, Ahmadinejad has thought nothing of connecting his belief in the imminent return of the 12th Imam to the execution of state policy. In a 7,000 word policy document delivered to Parliament or Majlis, Ahmadinejad states clearly that power belongs to God and the 12th Imam, who is currently in stasis. Therefore, reasons Ahmadinejad, all authority should reside with the clerics, who can ably rule in his temporary absence. Democracy, or even the faulty version currently practiced by the Iranian state, will only delay the return.
Ahmadinejad has been thoroughly honest in this use of dogma as policy guide, including the 12th Imam in almost every one of his public speeches. At various conferences with officials, Ahmadinejad is known to preface most recommendations with the statement that "followers of this divine school of Islamic thought are doing their best to pave the way for his [the 12th Imam's] urgent reappearance." During a meeting with regional governors following his election, Ahmadinejad excoriated the officials for their terrestrial concerns -- crops, roads, and crime -- and urged them to concentrate their energies on constructing the perfect Islamic state. In November, before a gathering of the nation's leading clerics, Ahmadinejad reiterated his role in the return of the Mahdi: "Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam."
MESBAH-YAZDI AND AHMADINEJAD'S SINCERE belief that the imminent return of the 12th Imam -- ushered in by an apocalyptic conflagration -- echoes the grim prognostication of the shadowy Hojjatieh Society. Founded in 1953 by the Shah, the society was originally dedicated to converting followers of the Ba'hai religion. As the group expanded, it began to develop and embrace more fantastic concepts, including one which justified the instigation of societal chaos, so as to augur the return of the Mahdi. Using this belief as their guide, Hojjatieh members refused to become involved in the 1979 Revolution, believing the Shah's missteps to be the perfect spark for the return of the Mahdi. Considered so extreme that the Ayatollah Khomeini formally banned the group in the early 1980s, the society was forced to move underground.
However, it is widely believed that the philosophy of Hojjatieh survives, espoused by numerous theological schools in Iran, the most prestigious being the Hojjatieh-founded Haqqani school in Qom. Haqqani's most famous graduate? Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi.
While Ahmadinejad's advocacy of tyrannical order do not necessarily gel with the tumultuous prophecy of Hojjatieh, their shared recognition of chaos on an international scale as a legitimate precursor to the return of the mythical figure of the 12th Imam is troubling enough, especially considering the fact that Ahmadinejad is close to gaining the perfect weapon for the instigation of said disorder. The idea that such a man, mesmerized by stagnant and violent myth, could soon gain access to nuclear weapons, is simply unconscionable, especially considering the tragic historical precedent of allowing certifiable madmen to gain access to the instruments of mass destruction.
Patrick Devenny is the Henry M. Jackson National Security Fellow at the Center for Security Policy in Washington, D.C.
Copyright 2005, The American Spectator
The Mahdi: Islams Awaited Messiah
Among the Major Signs, the most anticipated and central sign that Muslims are awaiting is the coming of a man known as, The Mahdi. In Arabic, al-Mahdi means, The Guided One 1 He is also sometimes referred to by Shia Muslims as Sahib Al-Zaman or Al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar which translated mean The Lord of the Age and The Guided/Awaited One. The Mahdi is the first of the Major Signs. This is confirmed by Ibn Kathir, the renowned Muslim scholar from the eighth century:
After the lesser signs of the Hour appear and increase, mankind will have reached a stage of great suffering. Then the awaited Mahdi will appear; He is the first of the greater clear, signs of the Hour.2
The coming of the Mahdi is the central crowning element of all Islamic end-time narratives. So central to Islamic eschatological expectations is the coming of the Mahdi, that some Muslim scholars do not even refer to the Minor Signs as such, but instead, refer to them as, The signs accompanying the Mahdi. 3 While there are some variations of belief between the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam and while certain quarters of Sunnis reject him altogether, general belief in the Mahdi is not a sectarian issue within Islam, but is universal among most Muslims. According to Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America:
The coming of the Mahdi is established doctrine for both Sunni and Shia Muslims, and indeed for all humanity 4
Ayatullah Baqir al-Sadr and Ayatullah Murtada Mutahhari, both Shia Muslim scholars in their book, The Awaited Savior, describe the Mahdi this way:
A figure more legendary than that of the Mahdi, the Awaited Saviour, has not been seen in the history of mankind. The threads of the world events have woven many a fine design in human life but the pattern of the Mahdi stands high above every other pattern. He has been the vision of the visionaries in history. He has been the dream of all the dreamers of the world. For the ultimate salvation of mankind he is the Pole Star of hope on which the gaze of humanity is fixed In this quest for the truth about the Mahdi there is no distinction of any caste, creed, or country. The quest is universal, exactly in the same way as the Mahdi himself is universal. He stands resplendent high above the narrow walls in which humanity is cut up and divided. He belongs to everybody. For all that and much more, what exactly is the Mahdi? Surely that is the big question which the thinking people all over the world would like to ask. 5
Indeed, just who is this awaited one that the Islamic world is longing for, and what is it that he does that has them all in such a state of anticipation? This chapter will attempt to thoroughly answer this question primarily by citing various Islamic traditions and the interpretations of Muslim scholars that study them. I would like to encourage you to take the time to read each and every quote. It is in these references that we find an articulation of one of the central beliefs and passions of many of the 1.3 billion Muslims that we presently share the Earth with. Those of us who desire a greater understanding of one of the primary underlying spiritual factors affecting the world today should pay very close attention
In the simplest of terms, the Mahdi is Islams Messiah, or Savior. While the actual terms Messiah and Messianism have very clearly Judeo-Christian roots, University of Virginia Professor Abdulaziz Abdulhussein Sachedina agrees that these terms are appropriately used in an Islamic context when referring to the Mahdi. In his scholarly work on the subject, Islamic Messianism, Sachedina elaborates thusly:
The term messianism in the Islamic context is frequently used to translate the important concept of an eschatological figure, the Mahdi, who as the foreordained leader will rise to launch a great social transformation in order to restore and adjust all things under divine guidance. The Islamic messiah, thus, embodies the aspirations of his followers in the restoration of the purity of the Faith which will bring true and uncorrupted guidance to all mankind, creating a just social order and a world free from oppression in which the Islamic revelation will be the norm for all nations. 6
Thus it is fair to say that the rising of the Mahdi is to the majority of Muslims what the return of Jesus is to Christians. While Christians await the return of Jesus the Messiah to fulfill all of Gods prophetic promises to the people of God, Muslims await the appearance of the Mahdi, to fulfill these purposes. Sheikh Kabbani likewise identifies the Mahdi as Islams primary messiah figure:
Jews are waiting for the Messiah, Christians are waiting for Jesus, and Muslims are waiting for both the Mahdi and Jesus. All religions describe them as men coming to save the world. 7
A Man From The Family Of Muhammad
The first and most often cited Islamic belief with regard to the Mahdi is the tradition which states that the Mahdi will descend from the family of Muhammad and will bear Muhammads name:
The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs. 8
The Prophet said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah [Muhammads daughter]. 9
A Universal Leader For All Muslims
Throughout the Islamic world today there is a call for the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate. The Caliph (Khalifa) in Islam may be viewed somewhat as the Pope of the Muslims. The Caliph is viewed as the Vice-regent for Allah on the earth. It is important to understand that when Muslims call for the restoration of the Caliphate, it is ultimately the Mahdi that they are calling for. For the Mahdi is the awaited final Caliph of Islam. As such, Muslims everywhere will be obligated to follow the Mahdi.
If you see him, go and give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the Vice-regent (Khalifa) of Allah, the Mahdi. 10
He will pave the way for and establish the government of the family [or community] of Muhammad Every believer will be obligated to support him. 11
The Ruler Of The World
The Mahdi is believed to be a future Muslim world leader who will not only rule over the Islamic world, but also the non-Muslim world as well. The Mahdi is said to lead a world revolution that will establish a new Islamic world order throughout the entire earth:
The Mahdi will establish right and justice in the world and eliminate evil and corruption. He will fight against the enemies of the Muslims who would be victorious. 12
He will reappear on the appointed day, and then he will fight against the forces of evil, lead a world revolution and set up a new world order based on justice, righteousness and virtue ultimately the righteous will take the world administration in their hands and Islam will be victorious over all the religions. 13
He is the precursor of the victory of the Truth and the fall of all tyrants. He heralds the end of injustice and oppression and the beginning of the final rising of the sun of Islam which will never again set and which will ensure happiness and the elevation of mankind The Mahdi is one of Allahs clear signs which will soon be made evident to everyone. 14
The Mahdis means and method of accomplishing this world revolution will include multiple military campaigns or holy wars (jihad). While some Muslims believe that most of the non-Muslims of the world will convert to Islam peaceably during the reign of the Mahdi, most traditions picture the non-Muslim world coming to Islam as a result of being conquered by the Mahdi. Abduallrahman Kelani, author of The Last Apocalypse, describes the many battles of the Mahdi:
al-Mahdi will receive a pledge of allegiance as a caliph for Muslims. He will lead Muslims in many battles of jihad. His reign will be a caliphate that follows the guidance of the Prophet. Many battles will ensue between Muslims and the disbelievers during the Mahdis reign 15
Even Harun Yahya, a moderate and very popular Muslim author refers to the Mahdis invasion of numerous non-Muslim lands:
The Mahdi will invade all the places between East and West. 16
The Mahdis ascendancy to power is said to be preceded by an army from the east who will be carrying black flags or banners of war. Sheikh Kabbani states:
Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan will signify the appearance of the Mahdi is nigh. Khorasan is in todays Iran, and some scholars have said that this hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia, i.e. in the direction of Khorasan, then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent. 17
Another tradition states that:
The Messenger of Allah said: The black banners will come from the East and their hearts will be as firm as iron. Whoever hears of them should join them and give allegiance, even if it means crawling across snow. 18
In Islam there are two flags. One is white and one is black. Written across both flags in Arabic are the words, There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger. The white flag is called Al-Liwaa and serves as the sign for the leader of the Muslim army and is the flag of the Islamic State. The black flag is called Ar-Raya and is used by the Muslim army. It is also called the flag of jihad, and is carried into battle. One flag is governmental and the other is a military flag. 19 When Muhammad returned to his home city of Mecca after being exiled for eight years, he returned as a conqueror. With him were ten thousand Muslim soldiers. They carried with them black flags. On the flags was one word written in Arabic: punishment. 20
I was once talking to a group of young Muslim men and asking them some questions. I asked them if the obvious superior militaries of America and Israel compared to the militaries of any Islamic nations were a source of difficulty for many Muslims. One of these men then became very angry at my question and snapped out, You Americans and Zionists better get ready, because the black flags are coming! At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about. Later I learned the meaning.
Islamic tradition pictures the Mahdi as joining with the army of Muslim warriors carrying black flags. The Mahdi will then lead this army to Israel and re-conquer it for Islam. The Jews will be slaughtered until very few remain and Jerusalem will become the location of the Mahdis rule over the Earth.
Rasulullah [Muhammad] said: "Armies carrying black flags will come from Khurasan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas in Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags." 21
It is important to note here the reference above to Baitul Maqdas. In Arabic this means the holy house. This is referring to the Dome of the Rock Mosque and is located on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
In a particularly venomous manner, Egyptian authors, Muhammad ibn Izzat and Muhammd Arif comment on the above tradition:
The Mahdi will be victorious and eradicate those pigs and dogs and the idols of this time so that there will once more be a caliphate based on prophethood as the hadith states Jerusalem will be the location of the rightly guided caliphate and the center of Islamic rule, which will be headed by Imam al-Mahdi That will abolish the leadership of the Jews and put an end to the domination of the Satans who spit evil into people and cause corruption in the earth, making them slaves of false idols and ruling the world by laws other than the Sharia [Islamic Law] of the Lord of the worlds. (Emphasis mine) 22
There is a very famous tradition that is often quoted throughout the Islamic world that speaks of the Mahdis military campaign against Israel. The tradition is both sickening and very sobering:
The Prophet said The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him (Emphasis mine) 23
It is said that the Mahdi will have control over the wind and the rain and the crops. Under the Mahdis rule, the world will live in prosperity. Islamic tradition relates that Muhammad once said:
In the last days of my Ummah [universal Islamic community], the Mahdi will appear. Allah will give him power over the wind and the rain and the earth will bring forth its foliage. He will give away wealth profusely, flocks will be in abundance, and the Ummah will be large and honored 24
In those years my community will enjoy a time of happiness such as they have never experienced before. Heaven will send rain upon them in torrents, the earth will not withhold any of its plants, and wealth will be available to all. A man will stand and say, Give to me Mahdi! and he will say, Take. 25
As a result of the numerous benefits that the Mahdi brings, it is said that all the inhabitants of the Earth will be possessed with a deep love of him:
Allah will sow love of him in the hearts of all people. 26
Al Mahdi appears, everyone only talks about Him, drinks the love of Him, and never talks about anything other than Him. 27
The Timing of The Mahdis Reign
While there is more than one tradition regarding the nature and timing of the Mahdis ascendancy to power, there is one particular hadith that places this event at the time of a final peace agreement between the Arabs and the Romans (Romans should be interpreted as referring to Christians, or more generally, the West). Although this peace agreement is made with the Romans, it is said to be mediated specifically through a Jew from the priestly lineage of Aaron. The peace agreement will be made for a period of seven years.
Rasulullah [Muhammad] said: There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans [Christians]. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadrat Haroon [Honorable Aaron Moses brother] and will be upheld for seven years. (Emphasis mine) 28
It appears that the period of this seven year peace agreement will likewise be the period of the Mahdis reign. While there are a few traditions that specify that the Mahdi will reign on the earth for as much as eight or possibly even nine years, most traditions state that the time of his reign will be seven years.
The Prophet said He will divide the property, and will govern the people by the Sunnah of their Prophet and establish Islam on Earth. He will remain seven years, then die, and the Muslims will pray over him. (Emphasis mine) 29
The Prophet said: The Mahdi will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years. (Emphasis mine) 30
The Mahdi is believed to ride on a white horse. Whether or not this is symbolic or literal is hard to say. Quite interestingly, this tradition is based on the Muslim interpretation of Christian Scriptures. Despite the fact that Muslims view the Bible as having been changed and corrupted by Jews and Christians, they still claim to believe that some portions of the original inspired books are still to be found within the corrupted Bible. As such there exists a tradition within Islamic scholarship that seeks to extract those portions of the Bible that Muslims feel may be untainted by the corrupting influence of Jews and Christians. These Judeo-Christian traditions are called by Muslims, israiliyyat. One such transmitter of biblical traditions is Muslim scholar Kab al-Ahbar. He is viewed among Muslims as a trustworthy transmitter of Hadith as well as israiliyyat. 31 Kab al-Ahbar is supported in his view that this description of the rider on the white horse as found in the Book of Revelation is indeed the Mahdi by two well known Egyptian authors, Muhammad Ibn Izzat and Muhammad Arif in their book Al Mahdi and the End of Time. Izzat and Arif quote Kab al Ahbar as saying:
I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets For instance, the Book of Revelation says: And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him went forth conquering and to conquer. 32
Izzat and Arif then go on to say:
It is clear that this man is the Mahdi who will ride the white horse and judge by the Quran (with justice) and with whom will be men with marks of prostration on their foreheads [Marks on their foreheads from bowing in prayer with their head to the ground five times daily]. 33
It is said by some that it was for this reason that Saddam Hussein had numerous murals painted all over Baghdad portraying himself as a Muslim Knight on a white horse with sword drawn doing valiant battle against the infidels. 34
In one final very interesting series of traditions regarding the Mahdi we find that he is said to produce some previously undiscovered Bible scrolls and even the Ark of the Covenant:
Kab al-Ahbar says, He will be called Mahdi because he will guide (yahdi) to something hidden and will bring out the Torah and Gospel from a town called Antioch. 35
As-Suyuti mentioned in al-Hawi that the messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, he is called the Mahdi because he will guide the people to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring out the volumes of the Torah to refute the Jews. At the hands of the Mahdi the Ark of the Covenant will be brought forth from the Lake of Tiberias and taken and placed in Jerusalem. 36
Ad-Dani said that he is called the Mahdi because he will be guided to a mountain in Syria from which he will bring forth the volumes of the Torah with which to argue against the Jews and at his hands a group of them will become Muslim. 37
Apparently, the purpose of finding these lost portions of the Old and New Testaments as well as the Ark of the Covenant is to help the Mahdi win converts from both Christianity and Judaism prior to eradicating the remainder who do not convert to Islam. We will discuss this aspect of Islamic tradition further in later chapters.
After reviewing the various Islamic traditions and opinions of the Muslim scholars, lets now review and walk through a list of what we have learned about the person and the mission of the Mahdi as he exists in the minds of many of the 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide.
No, because I don't give any credence to any Muslim prophecy whatsoever.
And, btw, I don't believe the events foretold in Daniel or the Apocalypse are currently unfolding either.
To all: here's the online book that is from!
As I said above, I'm an amillennialist, so just from skimming through the book I'm guessing that I'll have some disagreements with the author.
But I am overjoyed that somebody has gone and read what the Muslim prophecies are, and is telling other Christians about them! My whole complaint is that this major factor in the War on Terrorism has been ignored for the last four years! More power to Mr. Richardson in getting the word out!
lunatic Islamofascist ping
Forgot to say: "I didn't know about Richardson's book -- found it by yahooing the chapter title." Again, thank you for bringing it to my attention!
He's a FReeper too!
Can't remember his online name.
XR7: Just Freepmailed him. Thanks!
I joined the forum simply to say thanks for posting links to my book. I get a feed of all of the sites that jump to my book each day and saw your discussion here. Thus I joined a few weeks back.
By the way, while I very strongly lean toward Pre-millenialism, I am very open to Amill. That's fine. Though I think that it is impossible to be a total preterist without denying the overwhelming evidence of the futurist position among the earliest Church Fathers. If these guys were associates of the Apostle John - Polycarp, Clement, Ignatius, Papias, then I trust their position better tham most.
As far as giving credence to the Muslim prophecies, I do not. What I do do is consider if Satan, after having had his primary plans laid bare before the world, inspired, directed and assisted the developement of the Muslim prophecies. Thus by inspiring in a growing world religion a very similar anti-parallel (except with all the bad guys being the good guys and vice-versa) he has now essentially set up one-fifth of the world to recieve his man (antichrist) with open arms as their prophesied and awaited savior. Think about it. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Anyone see the special the other night about Texans converting to Islam in droves? Give it another twenty five years and Islam will by-pass Christianity as the World's largest religion.
Meanwhile Ahmadinejad is calling for the destruction of Israel and World peace under Mahdi. Still looking for an evil Pope?
I'm on a friend's computer right now, and won't be home until this weekend -- but I did want to just say "Thanks" for the post. I agree to the Satanic influence behind Mohammed's prophecies, regardless of the truth value of any of them. And again, nice work on your own presentation of those prophecies. We'll "talk" more when I get back. Hope you had a great Christmas!
Whatever, he is someone who takes his religion seriously.
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