Posted on 12/16/2005 2:58:23 PM PST by smoothsailing
Anything Reno is for ought to be suspect.
I'm sure there are a few people who could tell you about it. Does the name Brandon Mayfield ring a bell?
From the article:
What about Michael Galardi? Or Sami al-Hussayen?
Johnson (D-SD)... Nelson (D-NE)...
" -- The FBI may now demand information on citizens with "national security letters," which were created in the 1970s to investigate suspected foreign spies. FBI agents threatened to issue such letters in Las Vegas in December 2003 when casino executives balked at handing over gaming and personal information on tourists celebrating New Year's Eve.
Business leaders say companies receive tens of thousands of these letters each year, and complying is too costly. In a recent report by The Wall Street Journal, one banker said that 15 percent of her institution's annual operating costs are spent on Patriot Act compliance.. --"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it 'against the law' for businesses to notify customers of requests for these "security letters"?
Sami Al-Husseyan was guilty as sin. The Judge simply refuesd to allow all the evidence.
WE have a piss poor record of convicting terrorists, starting with El Sayed Nossair.
We must all watch the watchers, but we should als be vigilant against terrorist who get away with it because of our legal system.
Trying to reason with the likes of you....is impossible...sort of like trying to mastrabate with boxing gloves on...eventually you get the desired results...but is it worth the effort? Welcome to the 21st century
That isn't clear. Section 505 seems to impose a perpetual and universal gag order on the letter recipient, but Senators Specter, Hatch and others say thatteh recipient is not so gagged, and can obtain legal counsel and can challenge the order.
There is no question an order can be challenged. Lost in the discussion is the matter of timing. Can the order be challenged before it is complied with? Or does the challenge have to wait for a prosecution and objection by the person charged? Or are there in-bteween way-points in the process where the order can be challenged?
The "yes it can - no it can't" argument, without more, probably has both sides being right, and being wrong ;-)
And there is also the question of what constitutes "disclosure." The banker asserting that compliance has "xx cost" isn't disclosing much detail; the Vegas establishments aren't either, except that EVERYBODY in Vegas was a target of investigation at that time (maybe it'd be a reasonable activity in the interest of security, to have ALL hotel and rental car and air travel and bus travel purchases require goverment ID, and be reported to the Feds); but my take is thatthe intent of the gag order is to make it criminal to even dislose the fact that ANY letter has been recived, i.e., we are to pretend that no such investigation is taking place.
Maybe we should repeal all criminal statutes or legistlation that affects criminal investigations if a mistake has ever been made pursuant to their provisions.
ben Franklin spits on you.
...And I'll bet you can't point to a single case where the Patriot Act was abused prior to today....
And once permanent, what will it matter if abuses become everyday business?
You won't be able to do a thing about it.
See ya in the camps, chump.
...Only an idiot would question the President..
Yeah, he really closed down and secured those borders, didn't he?
First move in time of war.
...Remember WACO,Vicky and Sammie Weaver?...
Yup. Some murdered by the Clintons, some murdered by the Bushes.
It took just four years to destroy the corrections made as a result of 9/11.
America's going to get hit again. It's going to happen right where we can no longer look.
And the enemy laughs.
The Maronite Christians of Lebanon know more about muslim atrocities than you will ever know unless some crimalien brings a nuke across our unguarded borders and blow you up.
They were the first victims of this Jihad.
Lew Rockwell is a tool.
NRO.
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