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To: eraser2005
It is not necessary for the government to prove the surveillance was necessary. It is implied by the fact they were carried out that they where. This article contains not one fact to show anything was done improperly. It is nothing but allegations backed by opinions from un named sources.
30 posted on 12/16/2005 7:38:33 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV

Whoah there.... "It is implied by the fact they were carried out that they were."???? There are plenty of examples throughout history where governments have used searches (like surveillance) to oppress those who disagree. That is exactly why the 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures without warrants supported by oath and probable cause. Leeway has been provided where the delay for a warrant (which is a generally speedy process) could be an issue. That's what would be necessary for this alleged surveillance without warrants. If thats the case, it is entirely justifiable. Not getting a warrant, though, would be a total violation of 4th amendment rights.

Justifying it by saying that the fact that the surveillance was carried out implied that it was necessary is dangerous. That allows for justification of actions such as those the KGB routinely used in the USSR and which routinely occurs in many countries today (China, North Korea, etc)...


34 posted on 12/16/2005 7:54:37 AM PST by eraser2005
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To: Eagles Talon IV

keep in mind that this was released on a THURSDAY, before a recess, to drive the TV discussions during an off period...

They tried the exact same thing with Murtha and FAILED, now they regroup and do it using unprovable "Unnamed Sources"...

I'm betting every single DEM went home with thier talking points memo, as well?? This really STINKS to me...


94 posted on 12/16/2005 3:20:18 PM PST by tcrlaf
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