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To: Eagles Talon IV

Whoah there.... "It is implied by the fact they were carried out that they were."???? There are plenty of examples throughout history where governments have used searches (like surveillance) to oppress those who disagree. That is exactly why the 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures without warrants supported by oath and probable cause. Leeway has been provided where the delay for a warrant (which is a generally speedy process) could be an issue. That's what would be necessary for this alleged surveillance without warrants. If thats the case, it is entirely justifiable. Not getting a warrant, though, would be a total violation of 4th amendment rights.

Justifying it by saying that the fact that the surveillance was carried out implied that it was necessary is dangerous. That allows for justification of actions such as those the KGB routinely used in the USSR and which routinely occurs in many countries today (China, North Korea, etc)...


34 posted on 12/16/2005 7:54:37 AM PST by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
Given the WOT and the fact that not a single specific charge has been made AND given that several members of Congress on both sides were made aware of this BEFORE it began indicates that it was within the right of the Gov't to carry out these operations. There have been no complaints to date, not a single one from a Democratic Party that will simply make up sh*t to throw at this president if it cannot find any that exists.

Would you have the gov't now reveal WHO it eavesdropped on and why? Everything you say is true but nothing in any of the articles shows that any laws were broken only that "maybe" they were. So what is it, do we operate clandestinely to defeat the savages or should we just surrender today and save a lot of money, not to mention get more people around the world to "like" us?
42 posted on 12/16/2005 8:04:03 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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