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Stone Age Columbus
BBC ^ | Dec 15, 2005 | BBC programme summary

Posted on 12/15/2005 7:19:43 AM PST by ASA Vet

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1 posted on 12/15/2005 7:19:44 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: blam

Ping


2 posted on 12/15/2005 7:20:08 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet; SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


3 posted on 12/15/2005 7:36:25 AM PST by blam
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Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean)
4 posted on 12/15/2005 7:40:37 AM PST by blam
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Iberia, Not Siberia?
5 posted on 12/15/2005 7:42:45 AM PST by blam
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First Americans
6 posted on 12/15/2005 7:48:09 AM PST by blam
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Noooo, dear Lord. Please don't tell me I'm related to....ketchupman.


7 posted on 12/15/2005 7:49:51 AM PST by wizr (Fear not death. Christ lives.)
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To: ASA Vet; SunkenCiv

The more we know, the less we believe about 'settled' scientific facts about our past.


8 posted on 12/15/2005 7:54:30 AM PST by wildbill
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There seemed to be nothing human before Clovis. Whoever those incomers were around 9,500BC, they appeared to have had a clean start. And the Clovis point was their icon - across 48 states.

What about 135,000 YA artifacts found in CA?

9 posted on 12/15/2005 7:55:57 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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And so I conclude that 'science' is the evidence of things seen.

Doesn't mean that it's the truth.


10 posted on 12/15/2005 8:04:07 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam.

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11 posted on 12/15/2005 8:44:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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This is an interesting scenario although the genetic "lineage that was clearly European in origin"(haplotype X) turned out to be a dry well.

I'd love to see a good picture of that Cactus Hill point. I've seen a nice museum collection of Solutrean blades and wonder if I could see the similarity.


12 posted on 12/15/2005 9:35:26 AM PST by Varda
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This is an interesting scenario although the genetic "lineage that was clearly European in origin"(haplotype X) turned out to be a dry well.

Links?

13 posted on 12/15/2005 9:51:31 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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Origin and Diffusion of mtDNA Haplogroup X

A maximum parsimony tree of 21 complete mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences belonging to haplogroup X and the survey of the haplogroup-associated polymorphisms in 13,589 mtDNAs from Eurasia and Africa revealed that haplogroup X is subdivided into two major branches, here defined as "X1" and "X2." The first is restricted to the populations of North and East Africa and the Near East, whereas X2 encompasses all X mtDNAs from Europe, western and Central Asia, Siberia, and the great majority of the Near East, as well as some North African samples. Subhaplogroup X1 diversity indicates an early coalescence time, whereas X2 has apparently undergone a more recent population expansion in Eurasia, most likely around or after the last glacial maximum. It is notable that X2 includes the two complete Native American X sequences that constitute the distinctive X2a clade, a clade that lacks close relatives in the entire Old World, including Siberia. The position of X2a in the phylogenetic tree suggests an early split from the other X2 clades, likely at the very beginning of their expansion and spread from the Near East.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1180497


14 posted on 12/15/2005 10:26:26 AM PST by Varda
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The more we learn the less we know.


15 posted on 12/15/2005 10:35:16 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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Thanks. I was hoping for something in English, lol, but I'm slowly working on it.


16 posted on 12/15/2005 11:04:47 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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Stanford believes the boats' flimsiness is deceptive. With the Atlantic full of ice floes it would be quite possible for paddlers in open boats to travel along the edges, always having a safe place to haul out upon if the weather turned in.

That does it! Pass the smokes.


17 posted on 12/15/2005 11:29:41 AM PST by Graymatter (Through the years we'll all be friends...wherever we may be...)
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The gist is that the original finding (X was euro mtDNA) was the result of a sample size that was too small.

This study has a large sample size from most geographic locations. Result was that they found X in Africa, Europe, Asia and America. To me, the most interesting thing is that Native American haplogroup X is not closely related to any old World sample. They suggest dates for divergence not later than 11,000 ya and no earlier than 25,000 ya.


18 posted on 12/15/2005 11:46:49 AM PST by Varda
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ping


19 posted on 12/15/2005 12:06:55 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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Take this trip, Journey Of Mankind, that was derived from the DNA studies of Professor Stepen Oppenheimer. Notice he has a human entry to North America around the 25,000 year ago time frame. Also, notice that they became isolated in North America (Meadowcroft) during the Last Glacial Maximum (18-23,000 YA).
It is my opinion that these people are the probable source of the halogroup-X in the Americas and the Obijawa(sp) Indians in that region have the highest percentage of the halo-X of all others in the Americas.

I don't rule out the possibility that some Halo-X may also have arrived from across the Atlantic.

20 posted on 12/15/2005 12:37:17 PM PST by blam
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