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Child Killer Was a Pothead
Accuracy in Media ^ | December 15, 2005 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 12/14/2005 9:27:54 PM PST by Mojave

The George Soros-funded campaign to legalize marijuana has run into a problem. Joseph Smith, convicted and sentenced to death for the abduction, rape and murder of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, has been exposed as a pothead. In an unsuccessful ploy to spare his life, his attorneys argued that he was a drug addict, used drugs on the occasion of the Brucia murder, and began his involvement with drugs by smoking marijuana. It looks like marijuana didn't have many "medical benefits" in this case.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: anarchists; badpennyalert; denial; georgesoros; marijuana; nuclearoption; reefermadness; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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To: elbucko
More substances to abuse does not mean less violence

I never said it did (although if some people switched from legal violence-inducing alcohol to legal marijuana, that would likely mean less violence).

And yes, many of these violent people are alcoholics and should be institutionalized.

So only those alcohol users who are addicted and violent should be institutionalized? Makes sense to me ... but the same restrictions should apply to institutionalizing users of other drugs.

You are using violence as a strawman in advocating the legalization of drugs

No, I'm using it to point out that your professed goal of "leav[ing] the innocent and the sane alone" does not fit your proposed policy inasmuch as you treat the more violence-inducing drug less strictly (and surely we agree that violence is the epitome of not "leav[ing] the innocent and the sane alone").

My agenda is to reduce violence, drug abuse and homelessness, regardless of the substance

If that were true, you would treat the addictive violence-inducing drug alcohol comparably strictly as other drugs.

441 posted on 12/21/2005 11:40:49 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
Then you have no dog in this fight.

As far as alcohol vs marijuana, true.

By an large, those who use marijuana are not violent.

I would agree, by and large. However it does not answer any issues of violence by those who use both, individually or simultaneously. I don't see the issue as one of drugs vs alcohol, but of the mentally ill self-medicating themselves with either or both. The drug problem in the USA did not explode, as it did, until after the passage of the CMHC Act. The medications available in the hospitals at the time (and now) were worse than the mental disease. Once the mental patients were out, they sought medications that were more tolerable and the path was usually alcohol, then pot, then..? And frankly, I don't blame them.

But we're just posting past each other on this thread. Your agenda is to legalize pot for recreational intoxication. I really don't have a problem with that any more than booze. However, those who are severely, mentally ill, should be rounded up and hospitalized first and the situation watched carefully for those who are prone to substance abuse. Those would go into institutions as well. And my position is not that I favor depriving persons of their liberty, but of the realization that we don't really have effective treatments for bi-polars, psychotics, depressives and other mental illness. Better that they spend their lives getting high, in a garden-like setting with a high fence as well, than hanging around off-ramps.

From homelessness, to drug abuse, to firearms issues, the mentally ill have effected American society more than the public realize. Since the American Psychiatric Association gained so much influence in the federal government through the Kennedy's during the 1960's, the inmates have been in charge of the asylum. Much as illegals have been in charge of the border.

442 posted on 12/21/2005 1:08:08 PM PST by elbucko
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To: elbucko
My agenda is to reduce violence

That is an excellent reason to support legalization.

443 posted on 12/21/2005 1:52:16 PM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: Know your rights
Not at all; the article also hammers away at pot:

And points out the hypocrisy of the dopers. Any hypothetical link to alleged beneficial effects of dope gets proclaimed loudly, but they choke on their own medicine.

444 posted on 12/21/2005 6:06:23 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
John Wayne Gacy was a clown.

The police seized marijuana, amyl nitrate and valium from his house of horrors.

445 posted on 12/21/2005 6:15:38 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Why not make a more concerted effort fighting drugs that really do societal damage---drugs like meth, coke, and heroin?

Too.

446 posted on 12/21/2005 6:16:42 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
The police seized marijuana, amyl nitrate and valium from his house of horrors.

Must've been the weed, then. Before he took one puff of the Devil's Weed, he was probably an ordinary, run-of-the mill, tax-paying, mother's son. But that first toke on a joint: that turned him into a homosexual serial killer cannibal.

447 posted on 12/22/2005 5:05:53 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Mojave
Why not make a more concerted effort fighting drugs that really do societal damage---drugs like meth, coke, and heroin?

Too.

I agree with you that a compelling case could be made to restrict or prohibit those particular drugs, especially at the state and local level. What I don't understand, however, is how you don't understand that by lumping marijuana in with those particular drugs, and focusing on it as intensely as you do, you weaken your argument for prohibiting or restricting the use or sale of all illicit drugs. After all, you wouldn't buy into a doctor's over-all health program if he insisted that amputation was the best way to cure a hangnail.

448 posted on 12/22/2005 5:14:50 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
But that first toke on a joint: that turned him into a homosexual serial killer cannibal.

You brought him up.

449 posted on 12/22/2005 6:28:18 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
What I don't understand, however, is how you don't understand that by lumping marijuana in with those particular drugs,

The nose is attached to the camel.

450 posted on 12/22/2005 6:29:15 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
The nose is attached to the camel.

You're worried about the nose of a gerbil and ignoring the elephant that's already in the room, stomping around, and busting up the furniture. Again, I'm convinced you don't know the first thing about marijuana.

451 posted on 12/22/2005 6:34:56 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Mojave
You brought him up.

Weak . . .

452 posted on 12/22/2005 6:35:18 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You're worried about the nose of a gerbil and ignoring the elephant that's already in the room

The agenda is the camel, the disingenuous posturing notwithstanding.

453 posted on 12/22/2005 6:46:27 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Weak . . .

You compared Gacy to Kincaid. Gacy turned out to be doper.

454 posted on 12/22/2005 6:48:44 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
The agenda is the camel, the disingenuous posturing notwithstanding.

Disingenuous how?

455 posted on 12/22/2005 8:08:29 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: JTN
That is an excellent reason to support legalization.

No. Legalization would be premature without the amendment or repeal of the CMHC Act of 1963 and the re-implementation of mental hospitals as well as a realistic national policy regarding the mentally ill.

In other words; "You can't get there from here".

456 posted on 12/22/2005 10:59:33 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Mojave

Probably drank coffee too.


457 posted on 12/22/2005 11:00:10 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: elbucko; Hemingway's Ghost
You've actually replied to Hemingway's Ghost's post #436.

Your agenda is to legalize pot for recreational intoxication. I really don't have a problem with that any more than booze. However, those who are severely, mentally ill, should be rounded up and hospitalized

No disagreement so far.

first

Why first?

458 posted on 12/22/2005 3:33:00 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Mojave
Any hypothetical link to alleged beneficial effects of dope gets proclaimed loudly, but they choke on their own medicine.

I've never seen an article that said Joe Toke was sick, smoked marijuana, and felt better, so therefore marijuana is good medicine ... as Clown Kincaid argues re marijuana and violence.

459 posted on 12/22/2005 3:35:13 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
I've never seen an article that said Joe Toke was sick, smoked marijuana, and felt better

You skipped all the medical marijuana posts? Really?

460 posted on 12/22/2005 5:54:30 PM PST by Mojave
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