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McNabb answers critical column from NAACP leader
ESPN.com ^ | 12/14/2005 | ESPN.com News Services

Posted on 12/14/2005 3:00:38 PM PST by NittanyLion

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To: NittanyLion
I guess Donovan didn't pony up a contribution to the local NAACP.

.I mean, it's obviously racism if the person isn't African-American, but the identical comments from a black person aren't?

As a graduate of the Department of Defense equal opportunity management program. A balck person who palys into racial stereotypes would properly be called a 'pro-racist'.

21 posted on 12/14/2005 3:28:24 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: NittanyLion
This is pretty much the same as Rush's comment as far as not being racist. In Rush's case he was saying that the MEDIA wants a black QBto succeed and Donovan is saying that fans expect a black QB to scramble.

They are commenting on their general perception of each group.

22 posted on 12/14/2005 3:34:11 PM PST by byteback
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To: gondramB
Try to tell Rush that. He lost his primo football commentator gig - which he loved - because he said McNabb just wasn't all that good. Good enough to be a pro football quarterback, but not the best in the league as people pretended.
23 posted on 12/14/2005 3:35:52 PM PST by JasonC
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To: NittanyLion

race, race, race, blah, blah, blah. You're black, get over it and get on with your life, GEESH. Will this stuff ever go away?


24 posted on 12/14/2005 3:37:06 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: spinestein; NittanyLion

I think there is some truth to this. McNabb was originally treated as a BLACK hero by the collective sports news media but they've flogged that story to death. Now they're treating him as a BLACK sellout because that's the new drama. They run around to every BLACK person in America and ask their opinion of McNabb and what his behavior means to BLACK people. Then they run back to McNabb and shove a microphone in his face and ask him to explain why BLACK people are critical of him.

That is a GREAT point!  But now, it begs the question, why McNabb and why not Michael Vick or Daunte Culpepper?  I think I have an idea, but I'd like to hear what you think first.

Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)

25 posted on 12/14/2005 3:37:39 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Young Werther

Good one.


26 posted on 12/14/2005 3:39:52 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Young Werther

Your post reminded me of my upbringing with an Italian mother with a wooden spoon. And not your store bought wooden spoon. No, this one was handmade by my grandfather and has lasted 70 years.

If the drawer containing the spoon was rattled by my mother, that meant, "Knock it off".

The second time, the spoon came out of the drawer. And when it came out, it did not ever return to its resting place without being used. Who knew a wooden spoon could be used like a boomerang? There was no outrunning the spoon. One way or the other, contact was going to be made.

A piece of dead tree can teach a lot of valuable lessons.


27 posted on 12/14/2005 3:40:04 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: NittanyLion
"I always thought the NAACP supported African-Americans and didn't talk bad about them.

They practice Ronald Reagan's Eleventh Commandment?

28 posted on 12/14/2005 3:40:06 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Owl_Eagle

I can not figure this out, McNabb has accomplished 10x what Michael Vick has and constantly deals with this BS. Vicks had a grand total of 2 300 yard games. Yet everyone refers to him as the greatest thing to ever hit the NFL. He continues to prove year in and year out hes just a HB/WR playing the QB position.


29 posted on 12/14/2005 3:50:54 PM PST by cdawg20
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To: exit82
My Grandma went through wooden spoons at a horrendous pace. They were store bought at alittle softgoods store in North Newark. Somehow I broke more of those spoons with my backside then my brother!! I guess he was a WOP WIMP!

Wish Grams was still around to ...well you get it!

30 posted on 12/14/2005 3:53:37 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: exit82

[The second time, the spoon came out of the drawer. And when it came out, it did not ever return to its resting place without being used.]


I will remember forever the very last time my mother used the wooden spoon on me. She whacked my butt with it once and it broke so I (foolishly) said "HA HA, DIDN'T HURT!"

She reached into the drawer and grabbed another one. The ten whacks on my butt hurt a lot more than they usually did.


31 posted on 12/14/2005 3:53:55 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
[why McNabb and why not Michael Vick or Daunte Culpepper?]


I'm the wrong person to ask that question. I don't follow football and don't know enough about Vick or Culpepper to know why the media doesn't treat them the way they treat McNabb.

Since the McNabb story has spread so far beyond sports and is now into politics, and since it's now become a story about the media itself (thanks mostly to Rush), I've become interested in it and it's obvious to me why they're giving McNabb this treatment; he's simply the most convenient and available target for the particular drama that they're selling.
32 posted on 12/14/2005 4:05:03 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: spinestein

The story is not into politics. Mondesire is simply seeking his fifteen minutes of fame at McNabb's expense. It's none of Mondesire's business how McNabb plays quarterback, or what plays he calls, or whether he scrambles or not. Mondesire has nothing to do with the Philadelphia Eagles, and he doesn't know what he's talking about.


33 posted on 12/14/2005 4:31:55 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Owl_Eagle
I read the entire McNabb interview at the team website, and was put-off by some of what Donovan had to say. IMHO, he's getting a real victim mentality... Here are some excerpts that bothered me:

Q: How much of a hit has your reputation and stature taken this year?

A: Obviously I probably wouldn't be able to name one player who has been through what I've been through the last five, six, seven years. I don't think I've taken a hit on my name or my reputation at all. Maybe I'm optimistic with it, but I think one thing that it has done is, it's obviously made people pay attention to a lot of things that I do and what I say. I've had so many compliments on how I've handled a lot of situations, but that's just being me.

Q: Are you amazed at some of the things said about you?

A: "I am. We were laughing and joking about it a couple of days ago. It seems like everybody who seems to take a shot at me either loses their job (laughing) or more things are found out about them that they don't want people to know. So (laughing), I think now people are hesitant about bringing my name out of their mouth now. Hey, I tried to tell them ..But you know what? We can sit back and laugh about that but it doesn't have to be like that."

Q: Is it disappointing when someone makes remarks about your race?

A: "Especially being the same color I am. Obviously if it was someone else that's not African-American descent, to talk about your race, then it's a racist type of statement. But when it's someone of the same race as you that talks about you like you're selling out or whatever because you're not running the ball, it goes back to, what are we really talking about? When you go deep into that or you go statistically into what I've been doing, or how come I didn't stick up for so and so, or say why didn't I give a little bit of my (salary) to somebody else making money, you know, you still try to find an answer. And there's no answer that I've found.

"If you're talking about my play, that's one thing. If you're talking about my race, now we've got problems. If you try to make a name off of my name, I hope your closet is clean, because something is going to come out about you, too."



Plus the whole "I haven't lost the locker room but if I did lose the locker room"... and "I won't do anything different to gain it back" (the locker room he didn't lose). Have they interviewed him yet about the 19 Eagles that went to T.O.'s birthday party? Are they racist too? I don't get this type of thinking.
34 posted on 12/14/2005 4:37:04 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: NittanyLion

I've been an Eagles fan for years and McNabb always bothered me for some reason. He begins every answer with "Obviously", sort of like Kerry and his "Buts". McNabb blamed Rush Limbaugh when Rush was not critisizing McNabb but rather the media in Philly. I also think he is an average QB who has good games once in a while.


35 posted on 12/14/2005 4:38:42 PM PST by razzle
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To: NittanyLion

Is it time for McNabb to call his friend Rush for some coaching?


36 posted on 12/14/2005 4:47:04 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: cgk
Obviously if it was someone else that's not African-American descent, to talk about your race, then it's a racist type of statement. But when it's someone of the same race as you that talks about you like you're selling out or whatever because you're not running the ball, it goes back to, what are we really talking about?

McNabb is dumb as a stump, and racist to boot. Luckily, for him, he's not white or his playing days would be over. Contrast his statements to Rush Limbaugh's.....

37 posted on 12/14/2005 5:15:03 PM PST by ScreamingFist ( The RKBA doesn't apply if I have a bigger gun than your bodyguard. NRA)
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To: cgk
Well, let's face it, no other QB with as much success that McNabb has had over the last 5/6 years has had to put up with so much sh*t. His WR's are third stringers on any good team, his RB's are fragile, the Front Office treats every other player like an interchangeable Wal-Mart employee and his coach is this Generation's Marty Shottenheimer.

And it's always McNabb's not good enough? What's wrong with McNabb?

He's QBing the most successful run in the Philadelphia Eagles History (and the second most successful run in Philly history) and his pilloried by a bunch of Know-Nothings.

Finally, if the LIEbral critics had the same bad luck like McNabb's critics, we'd have a great deal laughing about it as well.

38 posted on 12/14/2005 6:41:14 PM PST by Hong Kong Expat
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To: JasonC
He lost his primo football commentator gig - which he loved - because he said McNabb just wasn't all that good.

He said the media was overhyping McNabb, not that he wasn't good.
39 posted on 12/14/2005 6:53:04 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: Terpfen
He said both, and the latter is what got him canned.
40 posted on 12/14/2005 8:04:54 PM PST by JasonC
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