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To: microgood
[But they shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that their outrage somehow requires schools to stop teaching facts, or allows them to introduce "alternatives" to facts into science classrooms.]

Remember all they did was put a sticker on the book.

If that's "all" it was about, hosepipe, then why all the fuss to get them into the books in the first place, and why all the fight to keep them there? If it was just a "stupid sticker", as you say, with no more significance than a piece of paper, why did the creationists bother writing it, printing it, approving it, and spending the time to plaster it on all the textbooks? Why did they gin up their lawyers to fight to keep the stickers when challenged? Why not just say, "oh, it was just a sticker, it's not worth all this, we'll just stop stickering the books if that causes a fuss"?

Answer that fully and honestly, if you dare.

Whether you care to admit it or not, the fact remains that there's far *more* to this matter than just "a stupid sticker".

[Science has standards, and we're not going to let anyone break them because they're somehow "offended" by the results. That's just conservative PC-ism, as bad as (and in some cases worse than) the liberal version.]

I agree. But that does not universally translate from "SCIENCE" to every school in the country.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

I say let them put their stupid sticker in the book.

And *I* say if it's actually "stupid", as you claim, they shouldn't bother with it in the first place. But come on, admit it -- there's a lot more to it than that.

This whole case sets such a bad example for the kids.

On the contrary, it sets a great example -- just not the example that the creationists had hoped to set.

[When and where have "evos" *ever* used courts -- federal or otherwise -- to "force" the teaching of evolution in schools (except as a response to the creationists using laws or courts to *force* evolution *out* of classrooms)?]

OK, I admit FR evos may not have started it but you are complicit in that you are cheering them on and rubbing it into the noses of creationists.

Read the question again and then try an answer that actually addresses it, please.

[The only way that evolution is not "like other sciences" is because there is an endless horde of misguided luddites who keep issuing fatwahs against it.]

Another classic line all by itself.

Thank you.

Although I would describe the situation a lot differently, however it is viewed it is likely to continue if they cannot even agree on a little sticker.

Again, it's not about "agreeing on a sticker". It's about far larger issues, and both sides understand that, even if you don't.

It is kind of uncomfortable to watch.

Then feel free not to watch.

152 posted on 12/14/2005 10:52:21 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
If that's "all" it was about, hosepipe, then why all the fuss to get them into the books in the first place, and why all the fight to keep them there?

Why fight to take them out?

If it was just a "stupid sticker", as you say, with no more significance than a piece of paper, why did the creationists bother writing it, printing it, approving it, and spending the time to plaster it on all the textbooks? Why did they gin up their lawyers to fight to keep the stickers when challenged? Why not just say, "oh, it was just a sticker, it's not worth all this, we'll just stop stickering the books if that causes a fuss"?

Two reasons:
(1) It has no effect on the students. It is just a hissie fit between special interest groups.
(2)Probably because they have an agenda to cast doubt on evolution. But whereas their agenda is local in their community the agenda of the other side is to prohibit any such activity anywhere.

Again, it's not about "agreeing on a sticker". It's about far larger issues, and both sides understand that, even if you don't.

Maybe for the national organizations exploiting this community. For the locals it is a huge mess started by one side and escalated by another. There was a time when the adults would have settled this long before it got this far.
157 posted on 12/14/2005 11:53:30 PM PST by microgood
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