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To: microgood; Virginia-American
...use left-wing interpretations of the establishment clause...

Yeah, that Madison, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and the rest, what a bunch of left-wingers, eh?

The "intrepretation" of the establishment clause which you dislike is the same as theirs, son.

Are you sure you really want to try to categorize this as "left-wing", microgood?

134 posted on 12/14/2005 8:33:39 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
The "intrepretation" of the establishment clause which you dislike is the same as theirs, son.

Well then they should have put all that into the Constitution. Oops.

Are you sure you really want to try to categorize this as "left-wing", microgood?

Liberal might be a better word.
146 posted on 12/14/2005 10:11:48 PM PST by microgood
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To: Ichneumon

Actually, the First Amendment as written didn't apply to states or localities at all. Such application came about as a consequence of the Doctrine of Incorporation, a federal judicial creation based (purportedly) on the 14th Amendment. Neither Madison nor Jefferson envisioned federal courts interfering with the states or localities on church-state matters.

Likewise, when Tocqueville wrote of separation of church & state, it was in an era in which states were perfectly free to associate with religion.

There are differing opinions on what constitutes the mingling of church & state. Does it mean government must operate on the assumption that God doesn't exist? Or is it the more modest assertion that government shouldn't subsidize a particular denomination, but is free to recognize God's existence?

See Justice Thomas' opinion:

http://www.geocities.com/djbj597933/case17.htm

Just some things to consider!


155 posted on 12/14/2005 11:34:06 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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