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To: Stultis
There's not a single theory that is taught LESS dogmatically than evolution.

That was not my experience but I am sure that varies from school to school and teacher to teacher (my biology teacher was a complete ass).

The glaring evidence of dogma is that sticker plastering activists only care about ONE theory and never, ever evidence the slightest concern about how science in general is taught.

People do not take gravity personally. But when you tell people's children that their religious beliefs are wrong and that they evolved from a common ancestor with an ape, many parents take that personally and will for the foreseeable future. And as long as the evos are willing to use the Federal courts to force their point of view onto Public schools the conflict will continue back and forth.

Evos here on FR state evolution should be treated like any other science. But they know why it isn't and why it never will be.
120 posted on 12/14/2005 7:10:22 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood
People do not take gravity personally. But when you tell people's children that their religious beliefs are wrong and that they evolved from a common ancestor with an ape, many parents take that personally and will for the foreseeable future.

I see now. So we need stickers also for the germ theory of disease, which Christian Scientists take personally; any mention of the clinical efficacy of psychoactive drugs, which Scientologists take personally; any reference to religious holidays, which are offensive to Jehova's Witnesses. I'm just barely getting started. History and Government texts will certainly need their stickers too. Well have to warn students of controversy surrounding appeals to stuff like "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in America's founding documents, which is the offensive hypocrisy of slave-owning hegemons to some Americans.

Can't you see where your logic takes us? Where it already HAS taken us?

I'm sorry but curricula should be formulated SOLEY on the objective academic merit of proposed content. Once you start monkeying with that to mollify identity groups there's no end to it. If some group is upset about some theory in some discipline which is objectively a part of that discipline then that's just tough.

125 posted on 12/14/2005 7:36:30 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: microgood
But when you tell people's children that their religious beliefs are wrong and that they evolved from a common ancestor with an ape, many parents take that personally and will for the foreseeable future.

If they're that offended by the truth, then they'll have to just go ahead take it personally. But they shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that their outrage somehow requires schools to stop teaching facts, or allows them to introduce "alternatives" to facts into science classrooms.

Science has standards, and we're not going to let anyone break them because they're somehow "offended" by the results. That's just conservative PC-ism, as bad as (and in some cases worse than) the liberal version.

And as long as the evos are willing to use the Federal courts to force their point of view onto Public schools the conflict will continue back and forth.

Where did *this* hallucination come from? When and where have "evos" *ever* used courts -- federal or otherwise -- to "force" the teaching of evolution in schools (except as a response to the creationists using laws or courts to *force* evolution *out* of classrooms)?

Evos here on FR state evolution should be treated like any other science.

Because it is. Unfortunately, the anti-science crowd won't leave it alone like other sciences (although truth be told, they have a general animosity towards science in general).

But they know why it isn't and why it never will be.

The only way that evolution is not "like other sciences" is because there is an endless horde of misguided luddites who keep issuing fatwahs against it. And the rest of us aren't interested in sliding back into the Dark Ages, thank you very much.

128 posted on 12/14/2005 8:19:29 PM PST by Ichneumon
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