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Boeing wins $10 bln Qantas jet order (Its Boeing, baby! Another $10B that Airbus DOESNT get)
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Posted on 12/14/2005 6:46:49 AM PST by Pukin Dog
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posted on
12/14/2005 6:46:50 AM PST
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Pukin Dog
To: Pukin Dog
I heard this on the news last night. Good job, Boeing! Give 'em hell.
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posted on
12/14/2005 6:50:34 AM PST
by
Lekker 1
("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
To: Lekker 1
I sure hope that the decision is based upon superior product rather than back-room shenanigans and or politics.
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posted on
12/14/2005 6:53:49 AM PST
by
dropzone
To: Pukin Dog
Given that Singapore Airlines competes with Qantas on European routes one would think that they might be inclined to go with Boeing as well.
To: dropzone
More likely the result of a company comprised of gung-ho capitalists going head-to-head with a socialist enterprise.
No Contest!
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posted on
12/14/2005 6:59:59 AM PST
by
newcthem
(9/11- not terrorists - just troubled youths.)
To: Pukin Dog
Maybe the Aussies didn't want to have to redesign all their international airports to accomodate the "Titanic of the Air".
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posted on
12/14/2005 7:02:25 AM PST
by
pawdoggie
To: Pukin Dog
Boeing is having a record year!
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posted on
12/14/2005 7:04:28 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
To: Pukin Dog
"had been unable to find an aircraft that could operate non-stop flights economically between Australia and London or New York."
Never heard of a passenger plane that could go from Australia to New York City non-stop- Quantas should order some old B-52s and put the passengers in the bomb bay if they want to do that.
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posted on
12/14/2005 7:19:36 AM PST
by
Altair333
(Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
To: Pukin Dog
Does Airbus still sell planes??
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posted on
12/14/2005 7:25:38 AM PST
by
DTogo
(Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
To: dropzone
I do too, but things sure are jumpin here. I attended the 747-8 kickoff yesterday. Hard orders for 18 and many options for more.
To: Pukin Dog
"
He said the B787 -- to have its first test flight in 2007 -- was chosen because of the price of the aircraft as well as the technology, fuel efficiency and the distance a B787 would fly."Boeing sure has a lot committed to the success of this plastic 787. I hope they are analysing the heck out of the aerodynamics and structure.
I see big potential problems with electrical aspects of the carbon-fiber composite and those thin (and more flexible) outer wings could have some surprising (and catastrophic) flutter characteristics.
To: nightdriver
I attended the 747-8 kickoff yesterday. Hard orders for 18 and many options for more. The A380 may be larger, but the 747 is still Queen of the Skies. What an elegant (however long in the tooth) aircraft. The new GEnx engines (Airbus A350 flavor w/bleed air) will certainly help in the efficiency dept.
As for Boeing kicking Airbuzz's butt, keep in mind this is the first year Boeing's order book has exceeded Airbus's in the last several.
To: pawdoggie
Maybe the Aussies didn't want to have to redesign all their international airports to accomodate the "Titanic of the Air". Qantas has firm orders for 12 A380s and options on I think 10 more. They plan on using them on the Sydney-LAX run and on the Sydney-HK-London run. All the airports in question have been or will be modified to accept the A380.
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posted on
12/14/2005 9:41:09 AM PST
by
Yo-Yo
To: Pukin Dog
Boeing keeps winning order after order. Airbus had Boeing's number for a while but Boeing seems to have learned from its mistakes and Airbus continues to make mistakes.
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posted on
12/14/2005 10:18:30 AM PST
by
truthandlife
("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
To: Gay State Conservative
singapore airlines ordered several of the big airbus monsters..as I recall..but are very limited on their routes..
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posted on
12/14/2005 10:30:23 AM PST
by
GeorgiaDawg32
(Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
To: Pukin Dog; safisoft
Darn it, safisoft! This is like the third Boeing Bashing thread opportunity you've had and gosh-by-golly people are getting away with murder here!
They're actually bashing your Airbust company?!?!? And you're letting them get awaqy with it! Hmmm. I got a couple seconds here to do a FRiend a favor....I'll just google some of your previous bashes and save you some time!
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posted on
12/14/2005 11:05:36 AM PST
by
sam_paine
(X .................................)
To: Pukin Dog
Boeing and Airbus have recorded more than $100 Million in orders this year. Yeah, and my church's newsletter and Reader's Digest have a combined circulation of 15 Million too.
To: nightdriver
I see big potential problems with electrical aspects of the carbon-fiber composite and those thin (and more flexible) outer wings could have some surprising (and catastrophic) flutter characteristics. I thought carbon-fiber composites were already being used in existing large commercial aircraft, specifically in the wings.... and even more extensively used in smaller aircraft.
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posted on
12/14/2005 7:45:05 PM PST
by
Jorge
(Q)
To: Jorge
"I thought carbon-fiber composites were already being used in existing large commercial aircraft, specifically in the wings.... and even more extensively used in smaller aircraft."Yes, carbon fiber has been used for control surfaces on large aircraft and more structural applications on smaller planes.
Bill Lear (of "Lear Jet" fame) discovered that carbon fiber composits tended to catch on fire when electrical current was passed through them. It sorta put the kabosh on carbon fiber for his company.
Now the entire fuselage and wing structure of the 787 is to be made from it. I just hope that they have learned from the experience of others in the industry.
To: nightdriver
I see a lot of talk of the use of composite structures here. Composites have been used for years, and is a fairly mature technology. That theyre going to be 50% (by weight) of the 787 is a major step up, but Boeing sees it as an evolutionary step.
What isnt being talked about much, but is revolutionary IMO, is the fact that the 787 is basically an electric jet. Traditionally, just about everything on an airliner is powered by engine bleed airvast amounts of ~70 PSI 350 deg+ air pulled from whatever stage of the engines compressor. This air is directed all over the plane in whats known as the pneumatic system. This air is not available to propel the aircraft.
The 787 is doing away with almost all that, and is switching to electrical powered devices. This is no small task, as evidenced by the 787 having over twice the electrical generating capacity of the much-larger A380. I saw some numbers in Aviation Week magazine and was astounded to read it takes several hundred horsepower to simply pressurize the aircraft at cruise. Boeing feels pneumatic technology (not very efficient and over 50 years old) has progressed as far as it will go, but electrical technology (motors, motor controllers, etc) have plenty of room to evolve in size, weight and efficiency.
While the B787 and the A350 will use the same engine cores and technology, the 350 will use traditional bleed air while the 787s engines will have huge, 500+ KVA generators on them. Anyways, something to chew on.
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