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To: mariabush
They have known all along, just are now saying publicly.

I'm not sure which ways bothers me the most. Before the Iraq invasion I had serious doubts about it, not on the basis of the peace nuts that are clueless regarding evil but on the basis that Islam is inherently and aggressively violent and not very compatible with democracy. I doubted our exit strategy of building a democracy in Iraq (although it's gone far better than I ever expected so far). The problem is, the only way for democracy to flourish is to move people away from Islam...something that seems unlikely for our, or any, government to be able to do. So if they understood this before starting then I wonder at their judgment, if they didn't understand it at the beginning I wonder at their preparation. Of course, at this point we're in with both feet and the only way out MUST be through victory.

14 posted on 12/14/2005 5:56:17 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: highlander_UW
the only way for democracy to flourish is to move people away from Islam...

True, but democracy can serve this end. Democracy contradicts the caliphate. Hopefully the acceptance of democracy will habituate Mohammedans to disregarding other Mohammedan teachings.

18 posted on 12/14/2005 6:02:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: highlander_UW; All

The way to battle islamic terrorist is to stop refering to islam as a religion. Labeling it as a form of cult or a form of state, like communism, we will then have a better chance to defeat it.


22 posted on 12/14/2005 6:08:51 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: highlander_UW
The problem is, the only way for democracy to flourish is to move people away from Islam...something that seems unlikely for our, or any, government to be able to do.

Anne Coulter had a three part strategy, articulated two days after her friend Barbara Olson flew into the Pentegon -- "Invade their countries. Kill their leaders. Convert their people to Christianity." There are now whole Kurish villages populated with Christian converts from Islam. And, there is the Turkish example, where a secular elite uses military force to keep Islam bottled up. (Image the USA run by the ACLU on steroids, with guns!)

37 posted on 12/14/2005 6:32:07 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: highlander_UW
I doubted our exit strategy of building a democracy in Iraq (although it's gone far better than I ever expected so far). The problem is, the only way for democracy to flourish is to move people away from Islam...something that seems unlikely for our, or any, government to be able to do. So if they understood this before starting then I wonder at their judgment, if they didn't understand it at the beginning I wonder at their preparation. Of course, at this point we're in with both feet and the only way out MUST be through victory.

Well said.

We didn't go in to Iraq to democratize it, or save the population from Saddam. We thought Saddam was a terrorist threat to us in the long run and we went in to remove that threat. I agree with that approach.

Had Saddam cooperated with us, and brought us in and showed us he had no WMD, Saddam would still be in power and doing business with us, and he and his sons would still be brutalizing the Iraqis and we couldn't care less.

We got an exit break when we uncovered the fact that a lot of so- called Iraqi Muslims are heretics, and infidel collaborators.

I honestly thought our exit would go like this.
Thanks for getting rid of Saddam, and his sons.
Please turn on our water and electricity.
Get out of our country you infidel bastards;and we will start a civil war to settle some old scores amongst ourselves.

But we lucked out as the Iraqis seem more interested in worldly things than in doing God's work.

When the Iraqis didn't turn on us in mass the Muslim outsiders came in to kill us.

Infidels are one thing, worse are infidel collaborators. So the Muslims like Zarqawi won't lose any sleep over killing infidel collaborators. Who would have thought we could be so lucky as to find a country full of Muslim heretics. - Tom

56 posted on 12/14/2005 7:48:51 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: highlander_UW

"I doubted our exit strategy of building a democracy in Iraq."Same thoughts here but the results so far have been encouraging.The key to a successful(longterm)democracy in Iraq will depend to a large degree on keeping the radical muslims out of power.Pretty tough task when one considers party lines are drawn along religous lines ie Sunni,Shiite,Shia.I'd estimate the possibility of a successful democracy in Iraq at about 50/50.


62 posted on 12/14/2005 8:10:59 AM PST by Thombo2
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