SB-403, Personal Protection Act, Wisconsin Assembly, live debate thread, 12/13/2005

Wisconsin State Assembly ^ | 12/13/05 | Senator ZIEN, Representative GUNDERSON,

[Monitor]

Today, the Wisconsin State Assembly debates SB-403:

"This bill creates a licensing system under which an individual is permitted to carry a concealed weapon under certain circumstances. The bill also makes certain changes in Wisconsin law to account for a federal law that requires the state to permit an individual who works as or who has retired from working as a federal, state, tribal, or local law enforcement officer in Wisconsin or in any other state to carry a concealed firearm under certain circumstances. In addition, the bill changes the law relating to background checks for handgun purchases to require the Department of Justice (DOJ) to determine whether a person seeking to purchase a handgun has been subject to an order or finding regarding his or her mental health that makes the purchase unlawful."

You can listen in by clicking here.

You can follow along with the amendments and votes by clicking here.

You can read the legislation by clicking here.

[Ladysmith]

I don't know about you but this music is being "seared into my memory".

ack!

[Monitor]

Back in session.

[Monitor]

They're now finally debating adoption of amendments to SB-403!!!

[Ladysmith]

Here we go. The BS to restrict law-abiding citizens "for the children".

[Ladysmith]

Oh, sure hope Moulton speaks up - he owns a lot of businesses here. And he's pro-2nd.

[MissouriConservative]

What is up with this crap?

Instruction on the privilege of self-defense and the defense of others

Instruction on how to avoid injuring 3rd parties when defending himself, herself, or others in a manner that is privileged under s. 939.48

Privilege? I always thought self defense was a right?

[Monitor]

There's now 17 proposed amendments to SB-403.

[gnarledmaw]

Some nutbag is claiming Concealed carry holders have a 66% crime rate, "far higher" than the norm...

Who is this jackass?

[Ladysmith]

Boyle from the 73rd. I just fired off an email to Gunderson about these lies... LAW-ABIDING citizens are not the threat to LEO.

[gnarledmaw]

Woman from the 20th equates CCW holders to abortion clinic bombers? Im more concerned about wackos who would belive that...

[Ladysmith]

Can you believe it? They want to remove Milwaukee from the bill? That's not going to stop crime there. In fact, criminals will flock there where they know they won't be shot at.

[Ladysmith]

This guy, Young, has a point?? I'm going to fall asleep waiting for him to finish a sentence, let alone a thought...

[gnarledmaw]

A fellow from the 16th, who sounds rather "reverse" racist to me, argues that law abiding black people (his area) shouldnt be allowed to carry because:

A. black people have to take their cars to Luther, the alley mechanic
and
B. "a lot of people" (criminals) already carry guns

Some fine reasoning there...

[Ladysmith]

Oh, he was unbelievable! His arguments was showing why CCW would work - and then HE SAYS IT WON'T! Man, he had no idea what he was saying!

[gnarledmaw]

If you drive past a bus on the highway with a gun in your car youre subject to a felony, 42 month imprisonment? This woman (75th) is deranged...

[Ladysmith]

LOL! No doubt! Black is right - that's one nasty amendment!

[Ladysmith]

OMG! They adopted it!

[gnarledmaw]

Still here?

[Ladysmith]

Oh lordie - it's too late in the night be listening to Chuckie Cheese Young again!

...ZZZZZZZZZZZ....

[Monitor]

Oh lordie - it's too late in the night be listening to Chuckie Cheese Young again!

Yea, I just might "loose it" and start shooting everything in sight! My Lord, these people are delusional.