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LIVE THREAD - UPDATE: TOOKIE WILLIAMS EXECUTED
Fox news | Dec 12, 2005

Posted on 12/12/2005 10:45:34 AM PST by commish

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To: MineralMan
Okay, I understand. But I have never had a good answer to this scenario. Maybe you could give it a try.

A man breaks into your home and has a knife at your child's throat. He has done no physical harm yet. Any father or mother, at the right opportunity, would shoot him to save the child. So, you would shoot and kill him before he did any physical harm. No judge, no jury, no appeal process. But if he killed your child, thus doing the ultimate physical harm, you would not want him put to death. With a judge, with a jury, with an appeal process.

I don't understand. He dies at your hand before he does physical harm. That's okay. But he won't die at the state's hand after he commits murder. Sorry, but I just don't get it. He has more due process with the state after murdering than you gave him before he murdered.

201 posted on 12/12/2005 11:15:13 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: bannedfromdu

I agree.


202 posted on 12/12/2005 11:15:30 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: musicman

Are you a musician?


203 posted on 12/12/2005 11:15:44 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: Raycpa

Romans 13:2-4

"Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Whoever resists his local government, resists the plan of God! Whenever you meet a policeman, you shouldn't fear him (if you are a law-abiding citizen), but rather enjoy the sense of security that he is there to protect you. But, if you are a lawbreaker, you should feel terror, because God has ordained that he bring you to justice. We've lost that! Our young people have lost all respect for authority. Criminals know that statistics show that 70% of them can get out of jail within eight months of their conviction, so they have no fear of the authorities. The only thing that holds the fabric of society together, is a healthy fear and respect for the law - human government. Go back now to Genesis 9. As we see in verses 5 and 6, human government was established to maintain law and order, to protect the lives of the citizens; and in order to deter crime - murder in particular - God instituted capital punishment.

Any nation that practiced capital punishment in the past had a relatively low crime rate until they abolished it. One of the most visible examples of this is the nation of France. Until sometime in the 1970's, France still used the guillotine to execute murderers. They had so few murders in France each year that you could practically number them on one hand, But, … "society" said, "that's barbaric, it's a holdover from the dark ages," and so capital punishment there was abolished. Immediately, their murder rate skyrocketed like that of other nations without capital punishment. I am convinced that capital punishment is a legitimate deterrent to murder and major crime. We see so clearly in Genesis 9, what the Word of God says in this regard. The Word is true! I make no apology for it.

I looked it up on the internet about Capital punishment..It does not say this man should get away with his crimes..To me it says if he doesn't go by what the law says then he can be exicuted..

That said I really think this man should be fried to a crisp..He is a very bad person and we would be much safer with him gone..if riots start then the national guard should be called out and who ever breaks the law should be shot..


204 posted on 12/12/2005 11:15:57 AM PST by Beth528
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To: bannedfromdu
If this murderer doesn't fry, then Arnold will be a one time governor

I don't think Arnold's chances in the next election are hinging on this issue. I think he's lost it already...and I believe Arnold knows that he's lost it.

205 posted on 12/12/2005 11:15:57 AM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: Primetimedonna

"And that is the crux of the matter. IN MY OPINION. "




Of course. It is my opinion that the death penalty is wrong. When offered a chance to vote on it, I vote against the death penalty.

I do not picket executions. But I have an opinion. It is not currently the prevalent opinion on this country, of which I am a citizen. And there you have it.


206 posted on 12/12/2005 11:16:31 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Blue Turtle

Because they deny it is "life".


207 posted on 12/12/2005 11:16:34 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: Prime Choice

It would be the FINAL nail in his political coffin.


208 posted on 12/12/2005 11:16:45 AM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: MaryFromMichigan
Hope you are right.
209 posted on 12/12/2005 11:16:59 AM PST by b4its2late (The only substitute for good manners is faster reflexes.)
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To: b4its2late

A witness testified that Williams mocked the gurgling sounds Owen[s] made as he lay dying. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," the witness quoted Williams.


210 posted on 12/12/2005 11:17:34 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

Or when it comes to the victims of the crime?

I'll tell you why. Because they do not believe in free will. They believe that if Tookie had had money and an education then he would be a Harvard professor. Which to me, means that liberals do not respect those who are less fortunate and remain law abiding. Or "worse", actually build a successful and happy life without perfect circumstances.

That's why they want him free. Because they think that lack of money killed those four people.


211 posted on 12/12/2005 11:17:54 AM PST by saveliberty (Feed? What feed?)
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To: MineralMan

But think on this....

If I am wrong and there is no God, and I am but a fool for following him, what have I lost?

But. What if I am right and there is a God and you are the one that is wrong? With that scenario, you have lost everything.


212 posted on 12/12/2005 11:17:56 AM PST by murrie (For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son..........)
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To: MineralMan
I have an opinion. It is not currently the prevalent opinion on this country

Among liberals it is.

213 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:02 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Blue Turtle
I heard that. Sick SOB.
214 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:03 AM PST by b4its2late (The only substitute for good manners is faster reflexes.)
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To: Libertarian444

I've got it, thanks!


215 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: musicman

Highway to Hell would probably be the more appropo AC/DC song.


216 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:04 AM PST by rattrap
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To: bannedfromdu
It would be the FINAL nail in his political coffin.

What? Borrowing billions more, expanding the government, bringing back Gray Davis's key crew members to run things, and banning more guns wasn't bad enough for you? Geez!

217 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:12 AM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: musicman
FOUR TOOKIE SONGS LINKED ON THIS TOOKIE COUNTDOWN THREAD
218 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:46 AM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: Spiff
By what calculation do you think that the death penalty is somehow overused?

I think it needs to be reserved for those who show they are a continuing danger, and not against those who commit stupid crimes and who are remorseful and not likely to kill again.

219 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:48 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: doug from upland
I don't understand. He dies at your hand before he does physical harm. That's okay. But he won't die at the state's hand after he commits murder. Sorry, but I just don't get it. He has more due process with the state after murdering than you gave him before he murdered.

Good point.

220 posted on 12/12/2005 11:18:53 AM PST by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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