[ohioWfan]

If you REALLY want to go back to democracy's roots, bill, you need to go all the way back to creation, when God made the first man and woman with the desire in their hearts to be free (the same God who gave John Locke his mind.....the same God who led the Pilgrims to create the Mayflower Compact).

btw, you know what Mo meant about Philadelphia, so stop being difficult for the sake of being difficult....

[billbears]

when God made the first man and woman with the desire in their hearts to be free

Interesting. And yet the same God gave the peoples of the Old Testament a king to rule over them. Or was Kind David elected in some sort of democratic principle I've never heard of? Did the Israeli people elect Moses or Aaron as well? So I guess God didn't put the democratic spirit into Adam and Eve. Or at least the desire to 'be free' in the sense as you put it.

It is apples and oranges to compare the regime change in Iraq (at least the third change to that nation by Western powers in this century alone, but this time it will be different we promise) to the founding of this nation of states and is disingenous at best. But as I said the masses won't know and even fewer will care

[Mo1]

In case the stations cut the President off

here is a Live Feed from Philly

http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=137948