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Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
The Sunday Times ^ | December 11, 2005 | Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, Washington

Posted on 12/10/2005 6:48:44 PM PST by rhainw

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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Something/Anything?

We got a Get You A Woman....but would David Clayton Thomas approve?

161 posted on 12/10/2005 9:20:45 PM PST by toddrundgrenisgod
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To: reagan_fanatic

war is alway beyond explanation and war always defies logic, but regrettably war is sometimes necessary.


162 posted on 12/10/2005 9:21:07 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree. Here are 2 of my posts on prior threads that propose one approach to the issue.






Kurds drift toward autonomy, away from Iraq's daily violence

Posted by Kevin OMalley to Camerican
On News/Activism 01/03/2005 1:51:59 PM PST · 7 of 7


I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they don't engage with Turkey. But that doesn't say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesn't relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isn't our problem, it's 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.







Armed Kurds fomenting unrest in Iran pose security threat to Tehran

Posted by Kevin OMalley to F14 Pilot
On News/Activism 08/29/2005 4:18:19 PM PDT · 16 of 17


The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), they're fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didn't allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).

It's time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your "friend".


163 posted on 12/10/2005 9:22:01 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: California Patriot
The ideal situation would be for Israel to attack Iran then we enter. It would be an easy sell and the MSM and the Dems would shut up. Even the damn UN will back it. I think the best thing to do would be to use air strikes to overthrow the government and let the freedom fighters take over the government then we can send a peacekeeping force. A ground war would be tough, Iran's terrain is very mountainous.
164 posted on 12/10/2005 9:27:19 PM PST by NorthEastRepublican
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To: no-to-illegals
I don't believe the people or the Iranian Resistance is armed.

I don't believe the iranian resistance exists, except for a couple hundred university students.

Dr Zin and fellow travelers make a big noise here on FR, but in fact there seems to be more resistance in Communist China and Cuba.

165 posted on 12/10/2005 9:28:20 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Mom MD
".........play with the rest of the Muslim states (IMHO)"

Precisely where they have placed themselves...

They failed to behave as an ally, when they refused transit across Turkey for the Northern Invasion of Iraq --- making it more dangerous for those coming from the South...

It certainly contributed to other problems, all of which led to more Coalition blood being spilled ---- and movement of "unknown" assets into Syria...

Turkey remains more Muslim than Western Ally....
I haven't seen any justification to see them otherwise.

Semper Fi

166 posted on 12/10/2005 9:37:57 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Zack Nguyen

It's hard to imagine that 14 guys would fly jets into tall buildings knowing that to do so would mean near instant extinction.


167 posted on 12/10/2005 9:42:38 PM PST by Da Mav
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To: toddrundgrenisgod

Absolutly! God Bless the Child.

However, I don't know what Burton Cummings responce would be.


168 posted on 12/10/2005 9:43:57 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: Babsig

Count it as a regular disinformation piece. Whatever'll be done will be done in a surprise manner, like an ICBM warhead landing.


169 posted on 12/10/2005 9:44:34 PM PST by GSlob
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To: rhainw; All

IMHO, the RNC and ANY conservative news organization should start RIGHT NOW getting EVERY SINGLE DEM on record and tape with their "opinion" of this, so they can't spin it or deny it later if they felt they made a "bad choice" of which side of the "arguement" they fall on.

Their contradictory "opinions" could be VERY useful in up coming elections, as some of them are now in the Iraqi situation....

...again, just my VERY humble opinion...


170 posted on 12/10/2005 9:47:52 PM PST by musicman
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To: NorthEastRepublican

You may be right. And certainly a ground war would be tough.

It probably does make sense for Israel to take the lead. The Rats will give them a pass, whereas they would not do the same for Bush.


171 posted on 12/10/2005 9:52:35 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: rhainw

good luck boys!


172 posted on 12/10/2005 9:55:50 PM PST by wardaddy (A Christian President whom I like who would say Christmas on his cards is all I ask for.)
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To: rhainw

They're wasting time talking about it. Get on with it already! "The bombing begins in 5 minutes."


173 posted on 12/10/2005 9:57:20 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: rhainw

For a minute there I thought this was Debka. Who the hell tells everyone they're going to do a surprise attack?


174 posted on 12/10/2005 10:00:07 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: strategofr

There's a wealth of fun build your own atomic bomb projects like this one on the web to speed things up a bit.

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html


175 posted on 12/10/2005 10:00:54 PM PST by generalhammond
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To: rhainw

***It'll be WWIII, I doubt have any doubt in my mind.***

It's already WW#, and has been since 1979. We just didn't realize it until 9/11 2001....


176 posted on 12/10/2005 10:03:56 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: DoughtyOne

The Carter legacy, the legacy that keeps on giving.


177 posted on 12/10/2005 10:14:47 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: benjibrowder
listening to all of the info soon to be found out about Iran's involvement in terrorism over the past few decades

A). The media will cover it up.
B). The left will claim it was planted by Bush/Cheney/Rove
C). They'll dust off the Abu Graib headlines and we'll see the guy in the black robe ... yet again.

178 posted on 12/10/2005 10:24:29 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: jb6
Who the hell tells everyone they're going to do a surprise attack?

We tell our enemies well in advance ... what are they gonna do except use the democrat's "cut and run" defense?

179 posted on 12/10/2005 10:25:54 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Babsig
Myself I find Ariel Sharon a world class strategist and have full confidence in his judgment.

Von Moltke the Elder considered General George Washington as one of the greatest five strategists of all time. Von Moltke said that Washington was a master of the political aspect of war. Von Clausewitz pointed out that "War is an extension of politics by other means", meaning that politics and war are one thing, as in "the arm is an extension of the body". War is an extension of politics. Equally, you can say "War is an aspect of politics". The old story of Alexander the Great and his cutting of the Gordian knot is about this.

I shall watch events with interest. A Grand Master is at work.
180 posted on 12/10/2005 10:29:46 PM PST by Iris7 ("Dare to be pigheaded! Stubbornness is a virtue (but Tolerance IS NOT!!)!!!" :-))
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