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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Nice idea, but I doubt it. First, there is virtually no major airport capable of landing a jetliner which is not near enough to a city to divert the plane or over/undershoot the runway before the plane is either shot down, or in such a position that shooting it down would only result in killing massive numbers of civillians on the ground, anyway.

To attempt to divert the plane to a military facility only gives the hijackers the opportunity to do the same sort of thing to a military facility.

I am afraid that only if the passengers managed to take control of the plane, have their identity verified, and land it successfully, would you have a chance of survival.

Best to never let anyone else get control, whatever that takes. If they eventually try using a planeload of dead people as a bomb, at least you tried and won't be around for the final act, when the fighters get gun/missile lock.

153 posted on 12/11/2005 8:15:37 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I remember in the months following 9/11, I was flying United from Chicago to Washington D.C.'s Reagan National. There were (and are) special security measures for all inbound commercial flights to Reagan. 30 min before landing ALL passengers are required to be seated and buckled in their seats, no exceptions (if you absolutely needed to take a leak you would have to do that in your seat). The Captain made that announcement (not the urinating bit) and then added.."if any part of your body enters the cockpit, that part will be mine!"


165 posted on 12/11/2005 10:43:52 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Smokin' Joe

The shoot down is the ultimate solution but we need to give the passengers as much chance as possible before that particular trigger needs to be pulled.

I want to see a federal requirement for police truncheons to be installed in holsters at every passenger seat on every commercial airliner. Furthermore, there need to be caches of reserve truncheons installed in the overhead storage compartments of all commercial airliners.

We already know that on 11 September, United Airlines flight 93 failed in its terrorist mission due to the courageous actions of a few passengers. Not too long after 9/11, there was an episode during which a deranged man was subdued by a pilot AND his fellow passengers after he invaded the cockpit. This article shows the same pattern, the passengers are the critical security element. Our citizens will not allow themselves to become passive participants in a terrorist attack.

We already trust our citizens to bear arms in defense of our nation. What fools must we be if we cannot trust them to defend their own lives aboard airliners threatened by terrorists!

Clubs are natural weapons that require virtually no training to use. The flight safety card simply needs to note where the truncheons are, what their purpose is, the ways of employing them (swung, thrust or thrown) and suggested tactics to use in subduing any terrorists. Five terrorists armed with truncheons (or truncheons AND boxcutters) will not be able to withstand the attack of fifty frightened and determined passengers armed with 100 or more truncheons. I know that if I'm a passenger on a hijacked plane, I'll take those odds any day rather than allow some SOB to make my bones part of a hole in a building or a field!

This also relieves us of the ridiculous need to forbid the carrying of pocket knives, box cutters, nail clippers, razors, bookmarks, etcetera by passengers. Fifty passengers wielding two-foot long truncheons are more than a match for any terrorist foolish enough to use pocket knives or bookmarks to try and take over an airliner. As a corollary, airport security can concentrate its efforts on what really counts (guns, explosives, aerosol cans, combat knives, tasers, laser blinding devices, etc.).

The handwriting is on the wall, when the bleep is the TSA going to get smart and read it! This article just underlines what should have been obvious almost from day one to anybody but a TSA bureaucrat. Make the passengers part of the solution and quit treating them as part of the problem!


175 posted on 12/11/2005 10:44:14 PM PST by lechtellhavel ("Life consists not in holding good cards but in playing those you hold well."--Josh Billings)
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