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To: Pukin Dog
Pukin, back me up here....

Let me help some of you out here. The "radar" tracks you are seeing are NOT raw radar data. The monitoring system you are using relies on active transponders in each aircraft to generate its radar "picture". In other words, if the aircraft doesn't have a transponder, the radar doesn't see it. The system is called PASSUR. That is an acronym for "Passive Secondary Surveillance Radar". "Passive" means that the "radar" is a receiver only. "Secondary" is a radio signal sent by IFF transponders on board any aircraft flying through a major airport's airspace. The PASSUR "radar" can only read radio signals sent to it. Those signals come from the transponders onboard the aircraft flying through the airspace it monitors. Now here is the key part...missiles do not use IFF transponders. Therefore, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for this system to see a missile. So why would Cashill and WND publish an article like this? Because they are both frauds that make money by pulling the wool over the eyes of people who don't know any better. Cashill is a conman, pure and simple.

If you'd like additional explaination start by reading the "Help" page offered by the monitoring site. You will find the following....

"Aircraft tracking radar, and the software that supports it, while highly reliable, is also complex. Sometimes circumstances can interfere with the signal, causing temporary distortions. For example, you will probably notice that an aircraft flying directly over YOUR AIRPORT may temporarily disappear from the screen and then reappear away from the airport. This is due to the aircraft passing directly over the radar antenna and the temporary loss of signal. You may also notice aircraft icons sometimes “dropping off” and/or suddenly doing unusual things. This is especially true in the area immediately around YOUR AIRPORT, but could also occur away from the airport as well. These “ghost” aircraft are due to radar reflections from the high-rise buildings around the airport, and possibly from terrain and meteorological conditions farther away from YOUR AIRPORT."

46 posted on 12/09/2005 6:14:34 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
You mean, now that I am sufficiently drunk, you want me to be technical?

Not to mention that everything you said is true, what about a proximity detonation from said missile? Am I wrong that SFM's have proximity fuses, to prevent ground detonation after a miss?

So, not only did our phantom missile miss, but it was also a dud? The terrorists were just out getting some target practice? I would be sending the pilot who made this announcement off for a vision test. He probably just caught waves breaking on the beach.
52 posted on 12/09/2005 6:21:32 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Rokke
If you'd like additional explaination start by reading the "Help" page offered by the monitoring site. You will find the following....

Don't you find it just a LITTLE BIT ODD that the only double bogie in the whole segment is EXACTLY the one where the pilot REPORTED seeing something?

57 posted on 12/09/2005 6:24:34 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Rokke
I don't buy your argument. The radar returns are close enough that the PASSUR system assigned the same ID to both. My guess is that they never programmed the system to separate two returns in close proximity where they do not BOTH respond with IFF codes. When it comes to software using the word "impossible" is invalid. Software is written by humans - humans don't always think of everything and they do screwup. Ask Airbus and Boeing they have both crashed planes due to software problems.
74 posted on 12/09/2005 6:44:14 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Rokke

I've watched it several times and do not share your complete skeptisism. This object appears and then it becomes flight AAL612 according to PASSUR!


Let me ask you a few questions:

Do you have any vested interest one way or the other what this object is or is not?

Do you believe beyond a reasonable doubt this cannot be a missle?

Do you deny that according to PASSUR this object appears in front of AAL612 when AAL612 is over 6000ft altitude?

Do you deny that PASSUR identifies this object as AAL612, but at an altitude of 1500ft, at this point in time?

Do you deny that PASSUR has this NEW object actually becoming AAL612 a few seconds after what appears to be a cross-over (or a couple or 3 cross overs) and that the originally tracked AAL612 out of LAX is lost?

Do you believe this object seen by PASSUR is a ghost object as defined in your post 46?


92 posted on 12/09/2005 7:34:31 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Rokke
Many thanks for your explanation of PASSUR. I've watched and shared the PASSUR report with others and am curious as to how you would describe the event in question.

Apologies in advance if you have done so previously.

119 posted on 12/09/2005 8:54:05 PM PST by LNewman
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To: Rokke

uh ... never mind ... answered own question. duh.


120 posted on 12/09/2005 8:58:21 PM PST by LNewman
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To: Rokke
These “ghost” aircraft are due to radar reflections from the high-rise buildings around the airport,

Yup, lotsa high rises out in the Pacific...NOT.

Now if it was the Atlantic ("Atlantis") maybe I'd believe it.

Cheers!

The obvious reason for quashing is "who benefits"?

Does the current Presidential administration want to panic everyone before Christmas flying season, after the beating all the airlines have taken, and JUST as the economy is settling down?

Do the Dems WANT to remind everyone of the presence of live terrorists right around the time John Kerry is channeling himself in a fashion reminiscent of Jenjis Khan and Howard "YEAARRRRGH!" Dean is calling for surrender in Iraq?

Politicians are not just guided by self interest--but by the interests of their biggest lobbyists and constituents.

Cheers!

145 posted on 12/09/2005 10:33:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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