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Passengers: Alpizar Didn't Say 'Bomb'
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/9/05 | Curt Anderson - ap

Posted on 12/09/2005 8:55:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge

MIAMI - The airline passenger shot to death by federal marshals who said he made a bomb threat was agitated even before boarding and later appeared to be desperate to get off the plane, some fellow travelers said.

One passenger said he "absolutely never heard the word 'bomb' at all" during the uproar as the Orlando-bound flight prepared to leave Miami on Wednesday.

Federal officials say Rigoberto Alpizar made the threat in the jetway, after running up the plane's aisle from his seat at the back of the jetliner. They opened fire because the 44-year-old Home Depot employee ignored their orders to stop, reached into his backpack and said he had a bomb, according to authorities.

Alpizar's brother, speaking from Costa Rica, said he would never believe the shooting was necessary.

"I can't conceive that the marshals wouldn't be able to overpower an unarmed, single man, especially knowing he had already cleared every security check," Carlos Alpizar told The Orlando Sentinel.

Some passengers said they noticed Alpizar while waiting to get on the plane. They said he was singing "Go Down Moses" as his wife tried to calm him. Others said they saw him having lunch and described him as restless and anxious, but not dangerous.

"The wife was telling him, 'Calm down. Let other people get on the plane. It will be all right,'" said Alan Tirpak, a passenger.

Some passengers, including John McAlhany, said they believe Alpizar was no threat to anyone.

McAlhany, a 44-year-old construction worker who was returning home from a fishing trip in Key West, said he was sitting in Seat 21C when he noticed a commotion a few rows back.

"I heard him saying to his wife, 'I've got to get off the plane,'" McAlhany said. "He bumped me, bumped a couple of stewardesses. He just wanted to get off the plane."

Alpizar ran up the aisle into the first-class cabin, where marshals chased him onto the jetway, McAlhany said.

McAlhany said he "absolutely never heard the word 'bomb' at all."

"The first time I heard the word 'bomb' was when I was interviewed by the FBI," McAlhany said. "They kept asking if I heard him say the B-word. And I said, 'What is the B-word?' And they were like, 'Bomb.' I said no. They said, 'Are you sure?' And I am."

Added another passenger, Mary Gardner: "I did not hear him say that he had a bomb."

Officials say there was no bomb and they found no connection to terrorism.

Witnesses said Alpizar's wife, Anne Buechner, had frantically tried to explain he was bipolar, a mental illness also known as manic-depression, and was off his medication.

The National Alliance on Mental Illness called on the Air Marshal Service and other law enforcement agencies to train officers if they don't already in responding to people with severe mental illness.

Others said Alpizar's mental health didn't matter while marshals were trying to talk to him and determine if the threat was real.

Shooting to maim or injure — rather than kill — is not an option for federal agents, said John Amat, national operations vice president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, which includes air marshals in its membership.

"The person was screaming, saying he would blow up the plane, reaching into his bag — they had to react," Amat said.

"The bottom line is, we're trained to shoot to stop the threat," said Amat, who is also a deputy with the U.S. Marshals Service in Miami. "Hollywood has this perception that we are such marksmen we can shoot an arm or leg with accuracy. We can't. These guys were in a very tense situation. In their minds they had to believe this person was an imminent threat to themselves or the people on the plane."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the two air marshals appeared to have acted properly when they shot to kill.

Both air marshals were hired in 2002 from other federal law enforcement agencies and were placed on administrative leave, said Brian Doyle, spokesman for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Miami-Dade Police were investigating and the medical examiner's office was performing an autopsy on Alpizar, who was from Costa Rica but became a U.S. citizen years ago. He lived in Maitland, an Orlando suburb.

Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home from a missionary trip to Ecuador. Buechner works for the Council on Quality and Leadership based in Towson, Md., a nonprofit organization focused on improving life for people with disabilities and mental illness, the organization said in a statement.

David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said he thinks the shooting may prove more "reassuring than disturbing" to the traveling public his organization represents. "This is a reminder they are there and are protecting the passengers and that it is a seriously deadly business," he said.

Armed police boarded the aircraft after the shooting, with some passengers in hysterics. McAlhany said he remembers having a shotgun pressed into his head by one officer, and hearing cries and screams from many passengers aboard the aircraft after the shooting in the jetway.

"This was wrong," McAlhany said. "This man should be with his family for Christmas. Now he's dead."

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Associated Press writers Andrew Bridges, Mark Sherman and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington; Mike Schneider and Travis Reed in Orlando; and Jessica Gresko and Tim Reynolds in Miami contributed to this story.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Florida
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1 posted on 12/09/2005 8:55:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Complete investigation is needed to find out what really happened. There are obviously a lot of witnesses and their accounts might not all be the same. Without knowing what happened precisely, we don't whether the FAM did what he was supposed to do. I predict lawsuits (easy prediction).


2 posted on 12/09/2005 8:59:35 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: NormsRevenge

I don't want to sound too insensitive, but why the hell was he on a plane when he was off his meds? Whose bright idea was that?


3 posted on 12/09/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: NormsRevenge

Note to ByPolars: Don't forget to take meds before flying.


4 posted on 12/09/2005 9:00:49 AM PST by Integrityrocks
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To: NormsRevenge
Was he singin' La Bamba instead?........
5 posted on 12/09/2005 9:01:19 AM PST by Red Badger (Dan rather didn't say "Courage", he said "Couric"..................)
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To: NormsRevenge

This story begs the question "How did this man GET a bomb aboard an aircraft after undergoing MULTIPLE security checks at one or more departure airports??"

Someone at TSA needs to address THAT very pregnant question BEFORE they assure us that the killing of this man was "necessary."


6 posted on 12/09/2005 9:02:27 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: NormsRevenge

This is a slanted and shameful article. Where are the quotes of the people who said this guy claimed he had a bomb? They are out there. Must be in that article with Bob Woodward's testimony.


7 posted on 12/09/2005 9:02:45 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: advance_copy

It is regretful that a sick man was killed, but i cannot fault the Marshall for doing what he was TRAINED to do............


8 posted on 12/09/2005 9:03:13 AM PST by Red Badger (Dan rather didn't say "Courage", he said "Couric"..................)
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To: NormsRevenge

Someone conjectured on a thread that he may have been saying vomito or vomit and not bomb.

Another victim of airline food or missed medication or?

There are situations that, when reflected on, are not what they initially seem to appear to be. The FAMs, just as police are oft asked to do, reacted to the situation and acted on what they had to work with.

This does not explain away his refusal to comply with verbal commands by armed officials or his reaching inside the bag.


As a side note, I do know I did not see any barf bags readily available on a recent flight. None were visibly apparent in the seat pockets of the row of seats ahead of us.

Will their presence or absence be noted as part of the final report? It may seem a petty detail, but as noted in the article a man is dead.


9 posted on 12/09/2005 9:03:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"Neighbors said the couple had been returning to their home from a missionary trip to Ecuador."

Poor guy. RIP.

10 posted on 12/09/2005 9:04:51 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: KC_Conspirator

Those statements don't sell newspapers...


11 posted on 12/09/2005 9:05:04 AM PST by OCMike
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To: NormsRevenge

>"This was wrong," McAlhany said. "This man should be with his family for Christmas. Now he's dead<

This from the guy in the back of the plane bent down behind the seat trying to call out on his cellphone after marshalls told everyone to put their hands on their heads.He mad because they stuck a gun to his head and karate chopped the remote detonator(cellphone)out of his hand.


12 posted on 12/09/2005 9:05:06 AM PST by Blessed
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It looks like he was afraid of getting on the plane, but his wife pursuaded him to do so. Once on, he freaked out. Air Marshals were keyed up over a "shoe bomb" threat, and got excited and blew him away when he didn't follow shouted orders.

But, more shall be revealed...


13 posted on 12/09/2005 9:06:28 AM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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Whether or not he said the word "Bomb" is irrelevant. The Sky-Marshalls saw him as a threat, and acted accordingly. Do we really want them to start second-guessing themselves? The next time, there may be a bomb on board.
14 posted on 12/09/2005 9:06:45 AM PST by excalibur1701
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To: advance_copy

I will say this...as a former prosecutor, with over 20 years experience, I have never had a case where every witness saw or heard the same thing. In fact, very rarely will you have 2 witnesses with the same story. There are always slight variations on the facts. All right, from what they people saw.


15 posted on 12/09/2005 9:07:56 AM PST by yukong
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To: NormsRevenge

This was to be expected....

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2005/12/here-we-go-again.html


16 posted on 12/09/2005 9:08:06 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: NormsRevenge
Two people, one of whom admitted he was talking on a cellphone while the incident was transpiring says they didn't hear him say the word "bomb".

In the context of the whole incident, completely meaningless.

17 posted on 12/09/2005 9:09:03 AM PST by wideawake
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To: NormsRevenge

In the media, "not hearing" means "never said".


18 posted on 12/09/2005 9:09:33 AM PST by z3n
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To: NormsRevenge
I fly about once a week for work and, in fact, am in PHX on a layover right now. Thank God that we have good men with us to deal with these situations. I'm reallt ticked that the pilots aren't armed yet.

People who think the rest of the country needs to go out of the way to accomodate their special needs need to move to Canada or the EU or at least stay off of planes. Good grief, would this family really risk the lives of hundreds for the convenience of a fishing trip?

19 posted on 12/09/2005 9:09:51 AM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I was sitting in the center of a plane flying into San Antonio about a year ago. When we landed everyone was told to remain in their seats till they were given instructions otherwise. The plane landed away from the terminal and a group of cops entered the cabin and arrested a guy who had been sitting about 6 rows ahead of me. He had been threatening the crew claiming he had also had a bomb on his person. I never heard his claims but I was relieved that the incident hadn't escalated and the police were able to control this guy. As he got off the plane he swore and kept yelling some gibberish. The passengers began to embellish the incident and by the time I had met my ride outside the terminal one would think we were kidnapped and Sylvester Stallone came to our rescue. All I'm saying is don't always believe what you hear from the untrained person.
20 posted on 12/09/2005 9:10:22 AM PST by shadeaud (Liberals suffer from acute interior cornial craniorectoitis)
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