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Something I like to point out to my liberal relatives.

Up untill the 70s the oil, gas, and coal industries were real slobs with the environment. After that they recognized that there was some real value in environmental reclaimation. They began to fix the messes they made and they made less messes. It wasn't long before competing reclaimation companies began to grow. These days the reclaimation industry is a multy billion dollar industry.

If you look at ANWAR you will see that the footprint needed for drilling is a tiny fraction of what the oil companies would have needed 30 years ago. The early environmentalists were right about a lot of things and they were'nt the anti capitalists who call themselves environmentalists today.

Up untill the 70s the oil, gas, and coal industries were real slobs with the environment. After that they recognized that there was some real value in environmental reclaimation. They began to fix the messes they made and they made less messes. It wasn't long before competing reclaimation companies began to grow. These days the reclaimation industry is a multy billion dollar industry.

It saves so much $$ for them to be clean. When the left starts whining about oil spills, they make it seem as though these companies are out to deliberately pollute. "Ugh, these sick capitalist pigs don't care, bla bla bla..." I like to challenge with, why would these 'capitalist pigs' like this? The bottom line to them is the bottom line. Do you think that they like spending money, i.e. losing profits, to clean this up? The response is usually more jibberish. They seem to get very upset that the company won't have a spokesperson on TV, getting all emotional and whimpering about 'The earth is our mother and provider, we feel (sigh) sooooo bad about this'. I tell them they are simply being professional. Pollution, spills, etc cost lots of money to fix. Capitalism by its very nature forces efficiency, i.e. "Clean Technology".

If you look at ANWAR you will see that the footprint needed for drilling is a tiny fraction of what the oil companies would have needed 30 years ago. The early environmentalists were right about a lot of things and they were'nt the anti capitalists who call themselves environmentalists today.

Look at any enviromental protest today. You see far more anti-capitalist/Bush/American rhetoric and signs than you do pro-environment. That is all it has turned into is socialism cloaked as being good for the environment. No socialist economy as efficient as a capitalist economy, even remotely, yet this never seems to register with these idiots.

I can respect some peoples (read: not the socialist wacko's) opposition to the ANWR debate given that it is a national park/refuge. I tend to support it, but I also support parks and rec areas that are off-limits. But most people that I meet who oppose it, always go off on the alt-fuel rant and how the govt should fund it. My officemate at school is a prime example, yet her PhD is sponsored by an oil company and the end result of her research is a more wear resistant metal coating that will enhance oil extraction. Why she is not working on alt-fuels, beyone me.....