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Ukraine revisits its somber past
International Herald Tribune ^
| December 9, 2005
| Judy Dempsey
Posted on 12/09/2005 2:23:46 AM PST by twinself
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posted on
12/09/2005 2:23:46 AM PST
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twinself
To: twinself
So when will the NY Times come clean on Duranty and that Pulitzer?
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posted on
12/09/2005 2:27:13 AM PST
by
FreedomPoster
(Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
To: FreedomPoster
When Pigs fly, and Pinch Sulzberger nominates George W. Bush for a Nobel Peace Prize...
Oh wait! That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it...?
A.A.C.
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posted on
12/09/2005 2:57:14 AM PST
by
AmericanArchConservative
(Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
To: FreedomPoster
What no mention of Babi Yar? The Ukrainians helped the Germans massacre 1000's and 1000's of jews. They were shot and their bodies thrown into a pit at...Babi Yar. Later the Germans used the pit for Ukranian citizens who were executed.
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posted on
12/09/2005 3:23:14 AM PST
by
nyconse
To: nyconse
So who was the biggest mass murderer? Was it the Nazis or the Commies? Another question, does it matter? Hurling the Nazi insult is close to profanity. Any DUer who gets called a Commie should be ready to rip somebody's lips off. Totalitarian governments oppress and grind the poor. Famine today in North Korea and in Zimbabwe. The rulers are fat. The people watch their children starve. Beware any excuse to change our system because the same thing would happen here, don't cha know.
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posted on
12/09/2005 3:37:10 AM PST
by
carumba
To: carumba
The tyrant in Zimbabwe was installed by Washington and London in 1980. I don't know who was Prez then.
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posted on
12/09/2005 3:41:09 AM PST
by
seppel
To: twinself
This is good for the Ukrainians, to examine this part of their past.
It is interesting to note that in Ukraine, many claim not to speak Russian, although it is taught in schools everywhere.
I used my small bit of Russian in Kiev last summer and was told (in English) quite politely that the person spoke Ukrainian or English, not Russian.
Hard feelings there.
By the way the Cathedral of St. Mikhail was destroyed by Stalin during the famine.
The Ukrainians got it back up after partition in the 90's in just 2 years with contributions from Ukrainians all over the world. Itis a real beauty and not a small little chapel either.
Signs like this give me hope for Ukraine.
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posted on
12/09/2005 3:53:29 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: seppel
How shocking is it to know Jimah Carter was President in 1980? A dictator cuddled and propped up by Carter???? Imagine that.
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posted on
12/09/2005 4:45:51 AM PST
by
armydawg1
(" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
To: nyconse
"What no mention of Babi Yar? The Ukrainians helped the Germans massacre 1000's and 1000's of jews."
Are crimes of Jewish commies mentioned in articles about the holocaust ?
To: Jimmy Valentine
Ukraine is still split down the middle. Yushenko is seen as too western by the Russian element there.
To: twinself
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posted on
12/09/2005 10:38:17 AM PST
by
lawgirl
("You can try to wipe the memories aside, but it's you that you erase..." Honestly- Billy Corgan)
To: Thunder90
Yes, but that is a degenerate Polish element that Stalin shipped there.Ukraine is becoming ever more nationalistic and when the Ukrainians finaly truly identify with their most famous painting ("Message to the Caliph"). They will be what they have he potential to be.
Spasiba Bolshoi, Svetoi Mikhail!
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posted on
12/09/2005 4:09:34 PM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Jimmy Valentine
Yes, but that is a degenerate Polish element that Stalin shipped there.
Could you please elaborate on which oh which "degenerate Polish element Stalin shipped" to Ukraine? I am very interested in getting to know something more about it... :)
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posted on
12/09/2005 4:17:33 PM PST
by
twinself
To: twinself
The Ukrainians were never loyal to Russia. After all they were socially, culturally and perhapd religiously ahead of the Russians thanks to the influence of Byzantium.
Stalin in order to dominate the Ukrainians and control better their economy and society not only arranged the famine but seeded western Ukrain with people he sent from other areas to break the nationalistic tendencies of the Ukrainians.
Itis a fact that some Ukrainians welcomed the Germands to Ukraine during the second world war as they thought they could get rid of the Russians. The Germans, being poor thinkers at that point slaughtered the Ukrainians, putting Ukraine at contest from both sides.
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posted on
12/09/2005 4:44:44 PM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Jimmy Valentine
GEEEEZZZZZEE! sorry for the mispellings but I hope that you get the idea.
YKPAIHA!
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posted on
12/09/2005 4:46:28 PM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Jimmy Valentine
LOL That's OK. I suspected that was only a mispelling.
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posted on
12/09/2005 5:15:08 PM PST
by
twinself
To: Jimmy Valentine
You think that a "degenerate Polish element" in Ukraine is pro-Russian ?
To: Grzegorz 246
Stalin sent them. He did not send the best.
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posted on
12/10/2005 1:35:31 PM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Jimmy Valentine
Stalin sent Poles to Ukraine ? Interesting. Could you provide some source ?
To: Grzegorz 246
"For centuries this part of Europe (Ukraine) had a large Polish population - many of them remained in place after the Revolution. The total or partial disappearance of Poles from the areas of Kamieniec Podolski, Winnica, Zhytomierz and Kiev" - from "Kolmya, land of gold and death."
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12/11/2005 5:03:49 AM PST
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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