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Air Marshals Kill Erratic Passenger in Miami
FOX News ^ | December 7, 2005

Posted on 12/07/2005 5:03:30 PM PST by NCjim

MIAMI — An agitated passenger who claimed to have a bomb in his backpack was shot and killed by a federal air marshal Wednesday after he bolted frantically from a jetliner that was boarding for take off, officials said. No bomb was found.

It was the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks that an air marshal had shot at anyone, Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said. Another federal official said there was no apparent link to terrorism.

The passenger, identified as Rigoberto Alpizar, a 44-year-old U.S. citizen, was gunned down on a jetway just before the American Airlines plane was about to leave for Orlando, near his home in Maitland.

According to a witness, the man frantically ran down the aisle of the Boeing 757, flailing his arms, while his wife tried to explain that he was mentally ill and had not taken his medication.

The passenger indicated there was a bomb in his bag and was confronted by air marshals but ran off the aircraft, Doyle said. The marshals went after him and ordered him to get down on the ground, but he did not comply and was shot when he apparently reached into the bag, Doyle said.

Flight 924, which originated in Quito, Ecuador, had arrived in Miami just after noon, and the shooting occurred shortly after 2 p.m. as the plane was about to take off for Orlando with the man and 119 other passengers and crew, American spokesman Tim Wagner said. Alpizar had arrived in Miami earlier in the day from Ecuador, authorities said.

After the shooting, investigators spread passengers' bags on the tarmac and let dogs sniff them for explosives, and bomb squad members blew up at least two bags.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airmarshal; alpizar; bomb; flight924
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After the shooting, investigators spread passengers' bags on the tarmac and let dogs sniff them for explosives, and bomb squad members blew up at least two bags.

Bet that ruined somebody's trip...

1 posted on 12/07/2005 5:03:30 PM PST by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Do Democrats think Miami air marshals lied?

This is a rundown of what happened at the Miami Airport on Wednesday:

A man aboard an American Airlines flight from Colombia:

1. Claimed he had a bomb.

2. Made threatening statements and exhibited erratic behavior.

3. Refused to comply with numerous and repeated demands to stop.

Authorities determined that:

1. The man posed a mortal threat to those around him.

2. The man refused to comply with their demands to disarm.

As a result, the man was shot and killed. This lessened and perhaps ended the threat against those on the plane. Future threats from others may have also been discouraged.

As it turned out, the man didn’t have a bomb, but those whose job it is to know believed that he could have. They judged that the man’s statements and actions posed too great a threat to take a chance – especially in a post-9/11 world. The air marshals launched a pre-emptive strike against a threat based on the best information available.

Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have not yet issued statements.


2 posted on 12/07/2005 5:08:18 PM PST by ConservativeMajority
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The passenger indicated there was a bomb in his bag and was confronted by air marshals but ran off the aircraft, Doyle said. The marshals went after him and ordered him to get down on the ground, but he did not comply and was shot when he apparently reached into the bag, Doyle said.

And that right there, is what got him ventilated. No doubt we'll be hearing from the MSM all about how the mean 'ol cops gunned down an unarmed mentally-ill man.

3 posted on 12/07/2005 5:10:06 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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MSM heck, we're already hearing it from a few fellow FReepers....


4 posted on 12/07/2005 5:11:40 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: NCjim

I was on a plane - KLM - leaving Tbilisi to Amsterdam last spring when a man just across the aisle from us began escalating and eventually became fairly violent. He was surrounded by at least 4 very burly and strong men who seemed to appear from nowhere. They stayed with him the entire time and never left his side. When we arrived in Amsterdam he was handcuffed and removed from the plane first.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 5:13:14 PM PST by MarMema (http://www.curenikolette.org/)
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To: NCjim
Every time this article get written, it gets more sympathetic towards the perp. How I hate liberalism.

The good news is I just got of the phone with my New York, Jewish, always voting demorat friend who said "Good, They blew the crap out of that idiot!" LOL!

Times are changing, slowly but still changing none the less.

6 posted on 12/07/2005 5:16:27 PM PST by lizma
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To: ConservativeMajority

Excellent analogy. I'd send that on to Rush and the likes.


7 posted on 12/07/2005 5:17:25 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: ConservativeMajority
They judged that the man’s statements and actions posed too great a threat to take a chance – ........... Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have not yet issued statements.

Allow me to play Devil's Advocate here.

Let's assume that this was an aircraft chattered by MoveOn. org and Dean, Reid and Nancy Pelosi were aboard. Do you not believe that, in such a case, that this man's human rights required that he be given the benefit of the doubt?

8 posted on 12/07/2005 5:17:38 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius

Of course, they would try to reason with the man, and find what in his past led him to such evil acts. Perhaps offer a cup of tea, and a hug. The end result? BOOM.


9 posted on 12/07/2005 5:20:29 PM PST by mosquewatch.com (lol)
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"As it turned out, the man didn’t have a bomb, but those whose job it is to know believed that he could have. They judged that the man’s statements and actions posed too great a threat to take a chance – especially in a post-9/11 world. The air marshals launched a pre-emptive strike against a threat based on the best information available. "


Exactly.

I think this is a horrible situation - certainly nothing to poke fun at. I've seen several Freepers make comments on how ugly the wife is, etc., after this woman witnessed her mentally ill husband get blown away.

This is a tragic mistake that, given how it occurred, had no other outcome in a post-9/11 world. I wish some Freepers would take the high road, rather than making fun of the now-widowed wife's appearance.

Air marshals shouldn't be blamed for doing their job.


10 posted on 12/07/2005 5:23:15 PM PST by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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In the old days, before good drugs, these nuts would have been warehoused someplace out of site. If all the loons stopped taking the medication today, it would be like a reverse Rapture. "Where'd all the weirdos come from?"


11 posted on 12/07/2005 5:26:12 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Polybius

Was Hillary on the plane?


12 posted on 12/07/2005 5:27:16 PM PST by ConservativeMajority
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"This is a tragic mistake"

I don't think it's a mistake at all. The air marshalls did exactly what they were supposed to do. The guy was claiming he had a bomb in his backpack, and then made a move towards his backpack. The alternative would be to wait and see if he had a bomb, and if he did, hundreds of people would have been killed or wounded. And, by the way, I don't know or care what his wife looks like or how he failed to take his medication. If you're on an airplane and you say you have a bomb, you also have a death wish which is going to be granted.


13 posted on 12/07/2005 5:27:41 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: NCjim

Suicide by cop?


14 posted on 12/07/2005 5:30:00 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2008, if elected YOU DESERVE HER (and HIM! AGAIN!))
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To: NCjim
It's sad they had it had to end in such a way, but when somebody does what the article details, authorities are required to take action. What if this guy really had a bomb, or a gun, or something of that nature?

Airport security can't take that kind of a chance.
15 posted on 12/07/2005 5:30:42 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: Blzbba
The press is reporting this guy was mentally ill. We don't know that for sure.

Bottom line is that members of our society are no longer allowed the same "luxuries" as they had pre 9/11.

Not realizing what your current civilization/ society thinks is a threat can be deadly. It's always been that way.

16 posted on 12/07/2005 5:32:41 PM PST by lizma
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"This is a tragic mistake "



For whom?


17 posted on 12/07/2005 5:32:43 PM PST by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Blzbba
You're absolutely right. This was a tragic mistake. If the Air Marshall had only known this man's original destination he could have deduced the truth and avoided a terrible accident. HELLO! THE MAN WAS COMING FROM COLUMBIA! Since no BOMB was found the obvious answer is that he was shouting "I'VE GOT A BONG!" to someone waiting for his arrival. I think this explains the whole thing.

Seriously, this will probably turn out to have been a terrible mistake, but the Marshall was in the right. He's the one I feel for, his career is over...

18 posted on 12/07/2005 5:37:49 PM PST by TapTap (</Judicial Tyranny>)
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To: Theresawithanh
MSM heck, we're already hearing it from a few fellow FReepers....

Point me in their direction...

19 posted on 12/07/2005 5:39:40 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

This thread, Sir...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536037/posts


20 posted on 12/07/2005 5:47:12 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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