Posted on 12/07/2005 8:01:13 AM PST by .cnI redruM
Or could they have honest, and stimulating intellectual discussions amongst themselves?
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Never happen. Critical thinking is totally absent. Care for preserving and strengthening America is totally absent. How does a Marxist debate a Marxist? The real agenda of the left cannot be openly debated...it would be their end. The fools and dupes that still believe these people are there to help them, are what they are. The socialist agenda of the left is no longer hidden -- it sprays us from the lying MSM, it sprays on us from the mounth of dysfunctional people like Howard Dean and John Kerry. And the standard modus-operandi of criminality, lying and deceipt of the left smacks us every time we see, hear, analyse and review the Clintons.
I think Rush's latest encouragement to the libs to BE EXACTLY WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE is working. To their detrement, but they are too isolated from rationality and reality to realize it.
The problem with the liberals is that they base all their politics on their emotions, not reason, logic, or any kind of principle or policy. Hence, they cannot have an intellectual argument and debate, even among themselves. Someone is always offended or *feels* wrong about something. No rational thought or weighing of solutions at all.
"War is bad, because I feel bad about killing people. Even if they were going to kill me."
"Big corporations are bad because I feel slighted that Exxon made billions but I don't have a big screen TV."
etc etc
Yes, it would be good for the Democrats to really debate some of these issues.
But it would simply destroy their party. There is no "there" there, as Gertrude Stein once said. A serious debate within Democrat ranks would expose abortion as indefensible. It would expose same-sex marriage as destructive. It would demonstrate that tax policy for the Left is intended to be more punitive than anything else. None -- I say None -- of the principles of the Left can be fought for openly without bringing the whole edifice crashing down around their ears.
They live on lies and double-talk. They cannot afford to have their positions questioned. They know this. At best, their "internal debates" would look like Professional Wrestling. "Looks impressive, but I think they're faking it."
All the Dems I know have several things in common. Number one: they believe everything told to them by their far-left leaders....without exception. Number two: they're bone ignorant on major issues thanks to their reliance on Big Media and their leftist instructors who only give them as much info as they think their stooges need.
I think it would have been impossible for the author to have been further from the mark. Ask Joe Public what Republicans stand for, and they'll have an answer, even if they're in California. Ask him what Democrats stand for and you'll get a blank stare. The Democrats problem isn't that they don't have debate. The problem is that they don't have agreement.
You just beat me to it... It's so obvious the critical thinking is completely absent on the liberal side. And they think themselves intellectually superior ? All-knowing as what is best for the rest of us ? All based on their "I feel this is right". Noooo thank you. They can go "feel" somewhere else. Like France. Or Canadia.
Exhibit B. If it please the court. Clinton Bush 41 debate. A young african american woman at the 'Town Hall Meeting' format debate asked a question. Bubba looked at her then walking like a passo-fino one toe in front of the other sidled up to her warmly making direct eye contact and offered to share her pain. The scene was repeated over and over for the next 72 hrs on the MSM along with praise for Clinton for having won the debate.
Liberals are idealists - They dream of what can be (in their minds) a perfect world and they let nothing stand in the way of their dream.
Conservatives are realists. We recognize that not all people are good and we make 'accommodations' for them. We have awakened from our sleep and are living life in a real world.
Has anyone ever known a conservative to turn liberal? But all of us have known the reverse to be true, many times over.
"Make liberals get past their passion and explore what they think."
That would be a long walk in the wilderness.
Emotions and party line thinking, if it can be called thinking. As the party line is paramount one doesn't have to think about or its ramifications. One just shouts it out and shouts it louder if someone calls the shouter on a point.
Since they can't listen and can't learn, I'll give the libs advice.
If you want to impeach Bush, take him down over his plans for shamnesty and his refusal to uphold his oath in protecting America from enemies, foreign and domestic, with his open borders/lose the war with Mexico policies.
But you can't/won't do that because you want to destroy the country more than he does. Face it, the only left wing agenda that's moved forward is the parts he has championed.
We don't need democrats anymore, we have republicans to spread socialism.
My final word of advice to libs.
Drop dead.
I think that the Left suffers from the fundamental intellectual dishonesty inherited from their Marxist forebears -- they simply cannot have an honest debate about what is true because their whole view of truth is that it is to be constructed as propaganda in service of the Leftist cause. They are not the "reality"-based community they claim, but specialize in constructing their own fantasy "realities" based on their biases, fears and emotions.
They will not. The one rule that ALL liberals live by is not to criticize another liberal no matter how stupid, anti-American or unpatriotic they sound. Unless, of course that liberal happens to endorse a conservative view. Witness the attacks on Lieberman for supporting the WOT and the silence at the treasonous statments by Kerry and Dean.
"Witness the attacks on Lieberman for supporting the WOT and the silence at the treasonous statments by Kerry and Dean."
Witness also the pure, venomous racism directed at any black American in the public eye, who dares venture away from spouting the socialist line.
That is party line thinking. They learned it from the Communists and NAZIs. Belief is irrelevant. Something is to be shouted because it should be true, because the Party says it is the correct position. "Trưe" does not relate to fact. That is why the term "Politically Correct."
Truth ad Fact are mental constructs. I don't understand why a lefty has to strive so hard to remake the world. By his own definitions of reality all he has to do is think it and it is so.
The problem with the soccer moms is that they base all their politics on their emotions, not reason, logic,
Supreme Court judges.
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