Robert Spencer...this guy is good.
To: unionblue83
A definite 'keeper'.
Bookmark Bump.
2 posted on
12/07/2005 6:04:31 AM PST by
DoctorMichael
(The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
To: unionblue83
Over 100 Koranic verses exhort believers to wage jihad against unbelievers. When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly (Koran 47:4). This is emphasized repeatedly. Jews and Christians are among those to be fought: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (Koran 9:29). There is no doubt that Muhammad meant such verses literally. Nonetheless, the fact that warfare against unbelievers is not a twisting of Islam, but the Islamic mainstream, and is repeatedly affirmed in the Koran, Hadith, example of Muhammad, and rulings of every school of Islamic jurisprudence...
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3 posted on
12/07/2005 6:05:50 AM PST by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
To: unionblue83
Uh. The Koran pre-dates Mein Kampf.
4 posted on
12/07/2005 6:06:49 AM PST by
peyton randolph
(Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
To: unionblue83
"...... surprisingly large number of Muslims have scant acquaintance with what it actually says. This is common to a degree that may surprise non-Muslims."
Most people probably didn't know what Mein Kampf said either.....
5 posted on
12/07/2005 6:08:58 AM PST by
PeterPrinciple
(Seeking the truth here folks.)
To: unionblue83
Still, to say that the Koran is the Mein Kampf of the jihad movement is not to deny the reality that many, if not most, people who identify themselves as Muslims are primarily interested in living ordinary lives. Most Germans who identified themselves as Nazis were primarily interested in living ordinary lives. The problem was with those who took Nazi ideology seriously.
6 posted on
12/07/2005 6:10:11 AM PST by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: unionblue83
There are moderate MoslemsReally? Name 20.
8 posted on
12/07/2005 6:15:38 AM PST by
Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
To: unionblue83
More like Mein Kampf is the new Koran.
9 posted on
12/07/2005 6:17:09 AM PST by
shekkian
To: unionblue83
"There are moderate Moslems
Tarring the whole religion is counterproductive
" having the opposite opinion is suicidal these days
14 posted on
12/07/2005 6:22:23 AM PST by
Kelly_2000
( Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
To: unionblue83
Some maintained: There are moderate Moslems
Tarring the whole religion is counterproductive
If there are no moderate muslims, as Fallaci says, then we are doomed.Actually, it would be much more accurate to say that if there are no moderate Muslims, then Islam is doomed.
Islam cannot destroy the West unless we let it. The West, or the US by itself, could utterly destroy Islam in a few hours.
16 posted on
12/07/2005 6:25:04 AM PST by
Restorer
(We don't really disagree with Islamists. They want to die. We want to kill them.)
To: unionblue83
18 posted on
12/07/2005 6:26:00 AM PST by
Dr. Luv
(QQ)
To: unionblue83
Robert Spencer calling others Nazis.
That's rich LOL!
19 posted on
12/07/2005 6:27:31 AM PST by
mrsmith
To: unionblue83
Michael Graham got fired for saying exactly what Fallaci is lauded for saying.
At least it's being said.
To: unionblue83
Mein Kampf sales in the Arab Muslim world are very good.
Muhammedans love to talk about plots and conspiracies with no better grist for the Muslim rumor mill than an imaginary Jewish plot or conspiracy. So they love Mein Kampf since there's a lot of Hitler going on about Jewish conspiracies
21 posted on
12/07/2005 6:29:19 AM PST by
dennisw
(You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
To: unionblue83
The challenge for peaceful Muslims today is to confront, not to deny, this obvious fact, and to formulate strategies for a large-scale rejection of literalism in the Islamic community in America and worldwide, so that Muslims can coexist peacefully as equals with non-Muslims without the continuing recrudescence of this supremacist impulse....The problem within islam is not with the flock, but with the leadership. I contend that from the beginning, islam "leadership" was and is now to a man, lunitics, murderers, and terrorists. Islam, for it to exist today requires lunitics, murderers and terrorists in charge in order to keep the flock together (you will be muslums, or we will kill you). Remove the threat of a horrible death or other violence for not signing up, or leaving islam, islam as we know it will die. People would leave mohammadism in droves, esp. women.
24 posted on
12/07/2005 6:35:44 AM PST by
B.O. Plenty
(Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
To: unionblue83
"The Koran: A New Mein Kampf?" Well, we all saw Saddam Hussein grasping and waving the koran around throughout his war crimes trial. It apparently is his Mein Kampf. And when the beasts who have sawed off the heads of Westerners did their filthy deeds they chanted from the koran, which instructs them to do such deeds to "infidels". So it is not only their Mein Kampf, it is also their militia training manual and their Constitution. When this frightening book was (falsely) reported to have been flushed down a toilet at Gitmo we saw the murderous reaction to the report in Afghanistan. I don't think any Nazi would have been phased by a similar report in WWII Germany. These people make Nazis seem civil.
28 posted on
12/07/2005 7:02:10 AM PST by
TheCrusader
("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
To: unionblue83
This begs the question, "who were the moderate Nazis."
30 posted on
12/07/2005 7:07:21 AM PST by
E.Allen
To: unionblue83
Thanks for the great post.
This article is the right premise that correctly constitutes the "feet of clay" underpinning this ludicrous belief system. (See Daniel 2)
These "scriptures" were written by one camel jockey who was bent on war -- rape-burn-pillage mentality -- and was known as a whoremonger and documented pedophile ---
Who... when what he had previously written as a "revelation" from some god -- when that didn't suit his lifestyle; He simply edited, deleted, re-authored -- or offered "interpretations" by fiat.
For example -- some changes of interpretations or "fresh revelations" that did suit him.... one-man & one-woman marriage.... quickly became one-man for many women/"wives" all of whom were kept and treated as chattel property.... And the age of female eligibility for marriage became younger and younger -- has he grew older and older... and more self-centered.
And while declaring his "god most merciful"... He was into wholesale slaughter of the innocents -- anyone who didnt agree with him -- or bow down to him -- and his "revelation".
Lastly.... the author's sorry bones remain in his grave... one can take the tour and see the tomb.
FYI -- He is not returning....
When the day comes that we can engage these "scholars" in meaningful dialogue and honest assessment and comparison of these "scriptures" to the Torah and the Bible... And do so with intellectual honesty instead of "kill the infidels" mentality --
ON THE SIMPLE GROUNDS OF:...
1)Validating the integrity of the document's textual transmission through the years --
(2)Measuring the consistency of the character of the revelator -- as a true disciple of these beliefs in his own right..... and
(3) Evaluating the contributions of this belief system to the relationships, peace, well-being of its followers, and its promises of eternal life to the adherents.
THEN....
We will see this false belief system crumble -- its major populations liberated in worship, thought and societal value -- AND the last radical adherents marginalized by thewir own peoples, geo-politically isolated, and/or swiftly dealt with by military force.
This whole gig is a LOSER on all counts, and has literally imprisoned those who were blindly forced into it from earliest childhood.
May the only true God of heaven and earth open their eyes to see, their minds to learn of Him, and their hearts to receive and embrace His true revealing of unconditional love for all who call on the holy Name.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD.
--Psalm 33:12
34 posted on
12/07/2005 7:42:11 AM PST by
Wings-n-Wind
(The answers are out there; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions)
To: unionblue83
Naw, a more appropriate analogy would be "The Project" found in possession of a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The following are the principal points of departure of this policy:
Point of Departure 1: To know the terrain and adopt a scientific methodology for its planning and execution.
Point of Departure 2: To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.
Point of Departure 3: To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at a local level.
Point of Departure 4: To reconcile political engagement and the necessity of avoiding isolation on one hand, with permanent education and institutional action on the other.
Point of Departure 5: To be used to establish an Islamic State; parallel, progressive efforts targeted at controlling the local centres of power through institutional action.
Point of Departure 6: To work with loyalty alongside Islamic groups and institutions in multiple areas to agree on common ground, in order to "cooperate on the points of agreement and set aside the points of disagreement".
Point of Departure 7: To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shariah?] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken.
Point of Departure 8: To master the art of the possible on a temporary basis without abusing the basic principles, bearing in mind that Allah's teachings always apply. One must order the suitable and forbid that which is not, always providing a documented opinion [? "Il faut ordonner le convenable et interdire le blâmable, tout en donnant un avis documenté"]. But we should not look for confrontation with our adversaries, at the local or the global scale, which would be disproportionate and could lead to attacks against the dawa or its disciples.
Point of Departure 9: To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible.
Point of Departure 10: To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement. In fact, surveillance, policy decisions and effective communications complement each other.
Point of Departure 11: To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.
Point of Departure 12: To know how to turn to self-criticism and permanent evaluation of worldwide Islamic policy and its objectives, of its content and its procedures, in order to improve it. This is a duty and a necessity according to the precepts of sharia.
37 posted on
12/07/2005 9:34:23 AM PST by
Realism
(Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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