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Administration Speeches Put Military in Tough Spot
Fox News ^ | December 6, 2005

Posted on 12/07/2005 12:22:26 AM PST by strider44

Edited on 12/07/2005 12:55:57 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cic; dean; dmcc; gregnoone; hess; hoar; howarddean; josephhoar; noone; stephenhess; stevehess; stevenhess
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To: strider44
Here's your numbnut "nonpolitical" marine again:

Democrats Use Weekly Radio Address to Criticize Bush
AP ^ | Nov 12, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Democrats have enlisted a retired Marine general to attack the Bush administration on Veterans Day over its care for the nation's vets.

Retired Marine General Joseph Hoar used the Democrats' weekly radio address to say President Bush consistently refuses to provide enough money for veterans' health care.

The former U-S military commander in the Middle East also says the White House isn't taking steps to provide adequate mental health care for soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. He says thousands will need it.

The AP's David Melendy explains further in this audio clip.

21 posted on 12/07/2005 2:57:58 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: strider44

What the Democrats fail to realize is that every criticism on how the war is being fought is a direct criticism of the Military and not the President. President, Congress, they are big decision makers (Policy) the democrats have charged day to day combat mistakes were being made in Iraq. Things that the President had no control over i.e., securing ammo dumps at the start of OIF, Troop strength levels these are Joint Staff and Task Force Commander calls not the Presidents. If the Democrats really understood day to day military operations they would shut up about commenting on the progress of the war because like I said every comment they make is a direct reflection of our military leadership. Therefore I believe that it is more than justified that the President tell the troops how well they are doing and tell them which politician is saying what about their progress.


22 posted on 12/07/2005 3:19:50 AM PST by tomnbeverly ("Our Military are fighting terrorists in Iraq, so we do not have to face them here at home")
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To: piasa

What is it with Marine officers and the Democrats?


23 posted on 12/07/2005 3:22:35 AM PST by Modok
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To: Republican Wildcat

Somebody needs to write a book about 21st Century Warfighting so that America can understand the big picture on how a war is actually fought.


24 posted on 12/07/2005 3:23:55 AM PST by tomnbeverly ("Our Military are fighting terrorists in Iraq, so we do not have to face them here at home")
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To: piasa
The Dems are attacking the troops in uniform.

And the Dems don't have the testicular fortitude to do it to their faces, only behind the military's back to safe audiences.

Cowards.

25 posted on 12/07/2005 3:25:53 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: piasa
mark.

***JANUARY 2, 2004 : (AS OF THIS DATE THESE ARE GOV. HOWARD DEAN'S FOREIGN POLICY ADVISORS : ) Foreign Policy Advisers Exclusive advisers: Benjamin Barber, Ivo Daalder, Morton Halperin, Elisa Harris, General Joseph Hoar (USMC, Ret.), Major General Randy Jayne (USAF, Ret.), Franklin Kramer, Anthony Lake, General Merrill McPeak (USAF, Ret.), Clyde Prestowitz, Susan Rice, Jeffrey Sachs, Danny Sebright, Admiral Stansfield Turner (USN, Ret.), William Woodward ---------Governor Howard Dean , http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_01-02/Dean.asp Several of these folks also show up with Robert McNamara and Joseph Wilson among others at: Secure America , http://www.secureamerica.us/html/about_advisers.html 40 posted on 06/13/2004 10:02:00 PM PDT by Fedora***

26 posted on 12/07/2005 3:40:25 AM PST by Alia
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To: tomnbeverly

What are you implying. Please explain your point.


27 posted on 12/07/2005 3:48:04 AM PST by Liberfighter (A half truth is a whole lie)
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To: strider44

More sour grapes by the losers on the left.


28 posted on 12/07/2005 4:21:36 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: strider44
On Nov. 11 at the Army Depot in Tobyhanna, Pa., Bush told the audience of servicemen and women that some Democrats who voted to authorize the use of force against Iraq have attempted to rewrite the past.

If this is a correct quote, then it is inappropriate in front of a military "rent-a-crowd."

29 posted on 12/07/2005 4:26:09 AM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: strider44

Agree.


30 posted on 12/07/2005 4:30:06 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

Putting the politics aside for a minute...The question is:

Should a sitting president, Republican or Democrat (or whatever)give a political speech that pointedly criticizes the other party or other party politicians by name to a group of ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS IN UNIFORM?

And again - if Clinton had done this everyone here would be apoplectic.

I'm a card-carrying Republican and deployed to boot. Yet I can see how this is something a president should not do. The troops should not be involved in partisan politics, no matter how F*cked up the Democrats are.


31 posted on 12/07/2005 4:32:15 AM PST by strider44
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To: piasa

There is no problem with retired military being involved in politics. Did I miss your point?


32 posted on 12/07/2005 4:34:10 AM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: MojoWire
This idiot Marine Gen. Hoar apparently thinks that when someone joins the military they forfeit their rights to vote, or of free speech, or to participate in the political process.

We don't give up our right to vote and participate, but we can't be in uniform or use our position when endorsing a candidate.

33 posted on 12/07/2005 4:37:37 AM PST by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: strider44

I know exactly what you are talking about. My troops and I suffered through the Clinton years knowing full well that he hated us and we hated him. Only the tradition of non interference in politics and respect for the Constitution kept the US military out of the White House while he was President.

This article is another example of how FOX has willingly joined the sleezy MSM and does not hesitate to print vile, anti Bush, anti military crap along with the rest of the garbage can lining media. As a result, this retired officer does not watch their "fair and balanced" news any more.


34 posted on 12/07/2005 4:57:02 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: strider44

While I tend to agree with your sentiments, I also believe unusual times require unusual actions, especially when we have former presidents and current politicians blasting the troops and the President on foreign soil and at home.

I also believe, if someone checks the record, Pres. Bush was not the first to make such remarks to the troops.

The criticsm by the Left regarding this matter is an attempt to change the subject.


35 posted on 12/07/2005 4:59:01 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: strider44
He should respond to their attacks, just not in front of troops in uniform.

Many prominent Democrats have taken up the cause of the enemy and are working tirelessly in the MSM to destroy the morale of our soldiers and Marines and to buoy up the spirits of the terrorists. Bush, as commander in chief, would be derelict not to respond vigorously and directly to these attacks.

Democrats in Congress are using their privileged political status as a shield to get our men and women killed. They must be met personally and directly in this battle of words by the only official capable of effectively taking the battle to them. The proper place to lead that battle is out in front of the troops.

36 posted on 12/07/2005 5:10:14 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: armydawg1

"I know exactly what you are talking about. My troops and I suffered through the Clinton years knowing full well that he hated us and we hated him."

Totally agree, and witnessed many Chief Petty Officers go ashore without retirement ceremonies because they refused to publicly accept the certificates from President Clinton.

This Admiral Crowe guy is a real piece of work. He was Reagan's JCS and knowingly endorsed a draft dodger from President. He sold us out...Pay and readiness went way down through out the 90's, while he got his ambassador gig.

It cracks me up to hear him cite Saddam was not a threat after his company BIOPORT received a $150 Million no bid contract for Anthrax Vaccine given to those enforcing Sanctions and No Fly Zones in the Gulf.


37 posted on 12/07/2005 5:18:07 AM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: strider44

I somewhat agree with you, but I think it is important for the CINC to refute the bogus anti-military crap comments loudly and publicly to the troops themselves. That means naming names and kicking butts.

Thank you for your service, Strider. I was in Desert Storm (Version 1.0).


38 posted on 12/07/2005 5:23:35 AM PST by MortMan (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: armydawg1
Had Clinton sincerely conveyed the sense that he genuinely cared for or men and women in uniform--first and foremost by honoring their sacrifice and warrior mindset--the troops would have reciprocated and given him their respect. He had no real love for them, and they knew it.

Our military forces respect and honor the current commander-in-chief because he does genuinely honor their sacrifice and warrior mindset and beause he uses his office as a bully pulpit to defend them personally and directly from attacks by the corrupt anti-military politicians that are concentrated in the Democratic Party.

If Bush were to remain silent in the face of this onslaught, he would be sending the political equivalent of the message the Clinton administration sent to the commander in Somalia who requested heavy armor to rescue the Blackhawk Down Rangers: "Can't do it. It wouldn't be politically correct."

Morale would plummet, and Bush would lose the respect of the troops. God bless President Bush for using his office to fight the good fight against all enemies foreign and domestic on behalf of the men and women in uniform.

39 posted on 12/07/2005 5:24:51 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Wristpin

Crowe has been on my sh** list since he did sell out to get his ambassaborship. He turned his back on his sailors for a few pieces of silver. Wes Clark has done the same thing to the Army.


40 posted on 12/07/2005 5:27:25 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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