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To: SoothingDave
You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill,"

Absolutely and here is why. The health department says it HAS to be clean and they benefit it being done swiftly because they get to seat me before I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere. Artifical it is not.

As you notice many food places see you take your own food to the table and even see you fill your own cup. The meal doesn't cost you any less now does it? The booths still have to be clean Eh?

why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!! Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today. Oh yeah you forgot that I should be extra happy that my fork and knife was clean right?

The real question here is why are cooks and busboys relying on the presentation of the waitress for their pay?

Tip share is a racket. It is a way for them to get you, the customer, to pay an even greater share of their overhead than youpay for the meal itself. Tip share will see the act of tipping fall off as people understand what happens to their tips.
144 posted on 12/06/2005 1:46:20 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!! Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today.

*Some* employers are indeed using this 'tip share' scam to pay dishwashers, BB's, etc. all 2.13 per hr. (saves employers from having to pay min. wage to them.)

My kid was informed she would 'tip share' with all including the dishwasher, who was paid the same 2.13, didn't speak English, NEVER saw any customers.

The *employers only* love this 'tip share' scam, why pay min. wage when you can FORCE the food servers to *share* tips ???

159 posted on 12/06/2005 1:59:24 PM PST by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: BlueStateDepression
You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill,"

Absolutely and here is why. The health department says it HAS to be clean and they benefit it being done swiftly because they get to seat me before I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere. Artifical it is not.

Try posting my whole thought and responding to it, not picking part of a phrase out to respond to.

Yes, clean tables are an expected part of the service. So is table delivery in a restaurant that forbids you from picking up your food yourself. So why tip one class of employee and not the other?

Is there a logical reason?

As you notice many food places see you take your own food to the table and even see you fill your own cup. The meal doesn't cost you any less now does it? The booths still have to be clean Eh?

I certainly expect food to cost less in a place where I pick up my own food than in a place where it is brought to me. You don't?

why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!!

Once you give it away, why are you so concerned where it goes next? Why doyou want to unilaterally re-write the employment agreement between the company and the various classes of service workers to suit your own ideas?

Is there a logical reason for this? Do you really ever go out of your way to tip a busboy? Would it tick you off if he than put this into a pool because those were the rules of his workplace?

Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today.

You seem to not be understanding the issue. The issue is that busboys are being re-defined into a lower-wage plus tips situation, they are being paid like waitresess and getting part of the tips.

Should we then tip extra knowing it's for 2 people? I say no. Should I get upset if my tip meant for one is spread out among two? No. I don't really care that much.

The real question here is why are cooks and busboys relying on the presentation of the waitress for their pay?

Why are waitresses and waiters relying on cooks and busboys for their pay? Maybe they are all part of the same team.

Tip share is a racket. It is a way for them to get you, the customer, to pay an even greater share of their overhead than youpay for the meal itself. Tip share will see the act of tipping fall off as people understand what happens to their tips.

I'm going to tip what I feel is appropriate. I am not going to pay double cause two people are sharing. I am also not going to penalize the workers because of the situation they are in. If you are some vehemently opposed to this idea, don't eat at place like that. I don't think most people are going to boycott tips as a protest against an employers practices. How does that help?

SD

171 posted on 12/06/2005 2:17:35 PM PST by SoothingDave
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