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To: BlueStateDepression
You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill,"

Absolutely and here is why. The health department says it HAS to be clean and they benefit it being done swiftly because they get to seat me before I get tired of waiting and go elsewhere. Artifical it is not.

Try posting my whole thought and responding to it, not picking part of a phrase out to respond to.

Yes, clean tables are an expected part of the service. So is table delivery in a restaurant that forbids you from picking up your food yourself. So why tip one class of employee and not the other?

Is there a logical reason?

As you notice many food places see you take your own food to the table and even see you fill your own cup. The meal doesn't cost you any less now does it? The booths still have to be clean Eh?

I certainly expect food to cost less in a place where I pick up my own food than in a place where it is brought to me. You don't?

why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity?

Where to start??? I tip who I want to tip, others do not decide who my tip goes to. BIG difference there!!

Once you give it away, why are you so concerned where it goes next? Why doyou want to unilaterally re-write the employment agreement between the company and the various classes of service workers to suit your own ideas?

Is there a logical reason for this? Do you really ever go out of your way to tip a busboy? Would it tick you off if he than put this into a pool because those were the rules of his workplace?

Busboys and cooks and dishwashers are not paid 2.13 an hour, I know I wasn't, and I know my brother isn't today.

You seem to not be understanding the issue. The issue is that busboys are being re-defined into a lower-wage plus tips situation, they are being paid like waitresess and getting part of the tips.

Should we then tip extra knowing it's for 2 people? I say no. Should I get upset if my tip meant for one is spread out among two? No. I don't really care that much.

The real question here is why are cooks and busboys relying on the presentation of the waitress for their pay?

Why are waitresses and waiters relying on cooks and busboys for their pay? Maybe they are all part of the same team.

Tip share is a racket. It is a way for them to get you, the customer, to pay an even greater share of their overhead than youpay for the meal itself. Tip share will see the act of tipping fall off as people understand what happens to their tips.

I'm going to tip what I feel is appropriate. I am not going to pay double cause two people are sharing. I am also not going to penalize the workers because of the situation they are in. If you are some vehemently opposed to this idea, don't eat at place like that. I don't think most people are going to boycott tips as a protest against an employers practices. How does that help?

SD

171 posted on 12/06/2005 2:17:35 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

You want to claim i cherry picked then you back it up. I addressed what you asked me to.
Post what else you seem to think mattered that was part of that phrase!

Logically speaking, bringin my food is only part of a waitresses job. She deals with me directly. Does the cook? Does the busboy? Does the dishwasher? NOPE, see the difference there? Quite logical indeed.

Is a tip part of the cost of the food? You fail to see the difference don't you?????

"Once you give it away, why are you so concerned where it goes next?"

DID you really SAY that????? FFS
If I give a tip to a person I expect that person to get it. The game you are playing with your response to it will bring exactly what i already told you it would. LESS TIPPING which leads to less good people working for you. Ask Lone Star about tip share and see what happened to them when they did it here.....notice they no longer DO it here!

PEOPLE ought to KNOW the 'rules of the workplace' eh? Or do you seek to deceive them about where their tips go and how they are distributed. Ever seen a sign alerting the public as to a tipshare program? JEE I WONDER WHY the anser to that question is NO!?????????!!!!!

"You seem to not be understanding the issue. The issue is that busboys are being re-defined into a lower-wage plus tips situation, they are being paid like waitresess and getting part of the tips"

The busboys aren't paid any higher than before in take home pay, the waittresses ARE however taking home LESS, all the while employers pay less in wages as a cost of overhead from the price paid for the meal. Spin it any way you like but that is the fact about tipshare.


YOU may not care where your tip goes, you should have that choice. I should have that same choice right? Or is that something i say that you oppose also?

You have every right to tip as you feel appropriate. SO DO I! I feel tipshare is bogus and so do most people when they take a look at it. I ought to know when my tip is going to other people than who I give it to.

People will refuse to tip when they understand the person they are tipping doesn;t get to keep what they gave them. If you cannot see that, then I cannot help you. Either that or you think all or most people could care less where their money goes. Do you really think people do not care where their money goes as a general rule? That most people will not care one way or the other when they find out others are getting the money they GAVE to an individual? Do you REALLY think that about most people?



179 posted on 12/06/2005 2:32:50 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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