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And your reduction tof the wonder of life to random combinations of mud, water, and rocks (i.e. life accidentally came from non-living objects) serves only to belittle and further degrade our school systems and society into a godless, government-worshipping, self-indulgent country that will fall just like every other great civilization.

Your ultimate message is this: "Life means nothing. You came from random chemical reactions and exist only to procreate. There is no being who created anything. When you die, you will be dead and gone forever. If you can get away with it on this earth, you will never have to answer for it. You have no more right to live than a bacteria because you are nothing more than a descendent of bacteria."

With a message like that, there should be no wonder that our children have little value for human life. Yet all in the name of your god, "science", you plow steadily on and to hell with the consequences.


174 posted on 12/07/2005 6:12:05 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And your reduction tof the wonder of life to random combinations of mud, water, and rocks (i.e. life accidentally came from non-living objects) serves only to belittle and further degrade our school systems and society into a godless, government-worshipping, self-indulgent country that will fall just like every other great civilization.

I assure you, I find wonder of life a marvellous thing, and I don't need a holy book to tell me that. But accepting your perceived consequences (for the sake of argument) was have they got to do with whether or not evolution is true. Why not theistic evolution?

Your ultimate message is this: "Life means nothing. You came from random chemical reactions and exist only to procreate. There is no being who created anything. When you die, you will be dead and gone forever. If you can get away with it on this earth, you will never have to answer for it. You have no more right to live than a bacteria because you are nothing more than a descendent of bacteria."

So that is what you'd teach your children if you didn't believe in the Christian God? I hope that you never get a crisis of faith. Me, despite being an atheist, I teach my children to respect others, to avoid doing harm, and to do good when the good path is clear to them. Societies whose members do this are successful societies. Societies whose members don't do this fail. I enhance the life-chances of my children by teaching them those principals, regardless of religious considerations.

With a message like that, there should be no wonder that our children have little value for human life. Yet all in the name of your god, "science", you plow steadily on and to hell with the consequences.

I am sorry that your children have little value for human life. Perhaps you should concentrate on giving them values that will serve them well in life, rather than trying to overturn established scientific knowledge. You cannot put knowledge back in the box, even when it is knowledge that upsets your religious preconceptions.

183 posted on 12/07/2005 9:18:07 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yet all in the name of your god, "science", you plow steadily on and to hell with the consequences.

An argument from adverse consequences is no argument at all, being a well-worn fallacy on this forum. The universe does not conform to your wishful thinking nor does it cater to your desires. Your beliefs do not dictate reality.

The very notion that the universe must be pleasant or nice because you don't like the consequences if it is not is embarrassingly childish and immature. I suppose we should not question the existence of Santa Claus on the same grounds. At a minimum it does not reflect positively on your credibility or emotional maturity.

199 posted on 12/07/2005 11:09:05 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Your ultimate message is this: "Life means nothing. You came from random chemical reactions and exist only to procreate. There is no being who created anything. When you die, you will be dead and gone forever. If you can get away with it on this earth, you will never have to answer for it. You have no more right to live than a bacteria because you are nothing more than a descendent of bacteria."

So after having your argument from statistics shown to be completely without merit and based upon absolutely wrong premises, you completely change the subject and go off on another logical fallacy (argument from the consequences) based upon a total strawman because you are too much of a coward to admit that you were mistaken.

If being a Christian means being as much of a coward and a liar as you are then I want no part of it.
205 posted on 12/07/2005 11:34:59 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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