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To: Ohioan
""Lingering genetic inferiority"?!! What are you writing about? There is no lingering anything. The leadership lines of descent were wiped out! "

You have zero evidence behind your little racial superiority to Arabs theory, just speculation to support speculation, and you’re too emotionally committed to it to process anything that puts it in doubt. I’m sure there’s a story behind that, but I don’t have time or interest to dig. Regards.

153 posted on 12/08/2005 3:02:27 PM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
You are too busy to explore what actually happened, but you can try to stir up disdain for a major world religion! There is indeed much behind what I write--the history of the peoples involved.

Since Arabs are Caucasians, just as are mainstream Americans, it is not about "racial superiority." Nor is IQ level the only measure of a people. However, a major drop in IQ level certainly explains why a people in the forefront of the world in astronomy, math, medicine and science in 1300 have to import European technology with their oil revenues, to even suggest that they are a threat in 1990-2003.

Your ex cathedra pronouncements, as to a cultural determinant, are no answer to the facts, to which I have referred throughout this discussion.

Not for the benefit of your head in the sands mindset of denial, which is apparently to no point, but for any lingering lurkers, let me point out another relevant historic fact. Even long after the collapse of the great Arab culture, following the genocide cited, above, Moslem Turkey was on the verge of conquering Central Europe, when finally stopped at the gates to Vienna. That is well known. But what is less known, is that following the battle of Lepanto, when the Venetians and their allies defeated the Turkish fleet in one of the great epic naval battles of history, the Turks had the capacity to rebuild their fleets in a shorter period than anyone expected.

Had it not been for Spanish control of the States of Gibralter, the Turks would have been able to put a greater armada than that which Spain sent against England, into the Atlantic.

Whether their sailors were a match for the English or not, we will of course never know. But there is nothing inherent in the religion which stultifies. And promoting the idea that there is, by a highly selective choice of materials, is intellectually as foolish as it is dishonest.

154 posted on 12/09/2005 1:28:47 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: elfman2
and you’re too emotionally committed to it to process anything that puts it in doubt.

I neglected to respond to this wisecrack, yesterday. What you are doing here is sometimes called "projection," projecting your own failing onto others. I would not hesitate to "process" any point, you might choose to make. But you simply label history "speculative," much after the fashion of some of the Viet Nam War protestors--that was a favorite approach in the early 1970s. But when are you going to "process" some of the specific points which I made to demonstrate a genetic based decline?

Don't get me wrong. While you have apparently embraced a Leftwing explanation for observable differences in definable populations, I do not think you are a Leftwinger. You just haven't gotten around to questioning the dogma being taught in some of our institutions of "Higher Education." I would suggest that you read Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.

William Flax

155 posted on 12/10/2005 8:12:06 AM PST by Ohioan
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