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Freep This POLL - Abortion for early-term Downs diagnosis
Detroit News Online ^ | 12/5/2005 | Det. News

Posted on 12/05/2005 5:17:40 PM PST by TheBattman

Would you abort a Down syndrome fetus if the birth defect were detected within the first trimester?

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm?topic=Down_syndrome&forum=dnletters


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The basic article this is connected to:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051205/LIFESTYLE03/512050302

Earlier Down syndrome test raises ethics debate

Some say knowing in first trimester helps parents prepare; others fear abortions will jump.

WARREN-- After hearing the news, Christine Spencer sank into her sofa and sobbed.

"I thought my world had ended," she said, recounting the moment she found out that her baby, still five months from birth, had Down syndrome. "I wasn't sure we were the right parents. I called some adoption agencies, and then I found out the list of people wanting to adopt children with Down syndrome was very long. People really wanted these kids. Then I wondered what was wrong with me."......

"There's no sense in having the test if they're not thinking of terminating the pregnancy," said Dr. Christine Comstock, director of fetal imaging at Beaumont Hospital and the principal site investigator on the study. "But it also provides women with early accurate information they need if they do decide to keep the baby."

About 90 percent of women who receive a positive test for Down syndrome get an abortion, said Dr. Ray Bahado-Singh of Wayne State University's Department of Maternal Fetal Medicine.

1 posted on 12/05/2005 5:17:42 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman

What happens if a "gay gene" is discovered? And can be tested for in the first trimester? This will put the left in an interesting position.


2 posted on 12/05/2005 5:19:36 PM PST by joonbug
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To: TheBattman
Everyone who has not seen this thread needs to read this article before voting. Get your box of tissues before reading.

Gianna Jessen Was Aborted at 7½ Months. She Survived.

3 posted on 12/05/2005 5:23:17 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (I never got a job from a person on a government program.)
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To: joonbug

Interesting concept. Take a test and if your baby is not perfect then you kill it.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 5:23:33 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: TheBattman

I thought we fought against the Nazis and their concept of Eugenics?


5 posted on 12/05/2005 5:25:06 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: OldFriend

The only legitimate reason for testing prenatally is so that the physician can be ready for potential problems with the delivery, as well as the fact that they are now doing fetal surgery, and may identify a problem that can be fixed surgically prior to the child being born.


6 posted on 12/05/2005 5:25:39 PM PST by Born Conservative ("Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." -Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: TheBattman
""There's no sense in having the test if they're not thinking of terminating the pregnancy," "

Actually it will alert the Obstetrician for potential delivery and post delivery problems. We had it done for both of our children and would never have aborted. She chose the wrong profession.
7 posted on 12/05/2005 5:29:25 PM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: OldFriend

"Interesting concept. Take a test and if your baby is not perfect then you kill it."

What if, in the case of something like downs, YOU are the one imperfect? I admit, I'm vaguely pro-choice, but what if you knew that YOU were the one who was imperfect? What if it was YOU that you doubted, not the child?

I say I am "vaguely" pro-abortion, I will be honest about it, I am Vaguely Pro-abortion because there is no late term epihpane that tells you you can't raise a child. If you end a pregnancy as soon as you know you are pregnant, then I'm not uncomfortable seeing that as a biological matter. It is when you start to change your mind about conception after a few months, that I find abortion disgustin. Pregnancy, and childbirth isn't a fashion trend, it is a LIFE choice.

Sorry to muddy this with a Vaguely Pro-abortion concervative.


8 posted on 12/05/2005 5:29:34 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: TheBattman
My very unscientific observation when traveling in a primarily-Catholic European country is that you see more Down Syndrome kids (typically out with their families.)

I wondered if it was because they don't institutionalize them as frequently, or if they aren't aborting them.
9 posted on 12/05/2005 5:30:23 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: joonbug

Rush has been on that one for years. It would certainly be interesting.


10 posted on 12/05/2005 5:31:53 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: TheBattman

My sister-in-law confronted that decision when she was pregnant and a bit older. She declined the test to avoid being forced to consider abortion. She relented and had the test when convinced of the advantage of being prepared, what with having two teen agers. The baby was wonderfully normal.

Another friend, faced with the same issue, knew her baby had Down's and spent the last 5 months of her pregnancy on bedrest to carry him to term. I am surrounded by brave, morally strong women.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 5:32:10 PM PST by trimom
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To: TheBattman
The article has an embarrassingly bad graph. Look at the X axis numbers:


12 posted on 12/05/2005 5:34:26 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Born Conservative
Nearly 30 years ago when my OB suggested amnio I responded to him with that phrase. You mean if it shows that my baby is not perfect I should kill it.

He was taken aback by my stark comment and assumed I was speaking from a religious point of view.

I was not and I was amazed at his assumption that one had to be religious to be against murdering one's baby in the womb.

13 posted on 12/05/2005 5:37:00 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: trimom

Lucky you to know such wonderful women!


14 posted on 12/05/2005 5:38:11 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: OldFriend

Star Trek: TNG did an episode about this called "The Masterpiece Society." Odd that just ten years ago it was science-fiction.


15 posted on 12/05/2005 5:40:36 PM PST by YourAdHere (Viking kitties taste like chicken.)
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To: wickedpinto
Ah, so a three-week old fetus is not a child, while a two-month old fetus is...I see. I'm glad for my awesome 14-yr-old DS brother's sake that our family didn't have any vague morals.....

People become stronger for making the right decisions, even if they don't FEEl like it.
16 posted on 12/05/2005 5:41:52 PM PST by precedence (Liberalism::Not a Family Value)
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To: FormerLib

We won...didn't we?


17 posted on 12/05/2005 5:43:12 PM PST by labette (Opinions and Christian criticisms welcomed.)
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To: precedence

For MYSELF! I would never make such a decision, If I procreate I is because I meant to. However, as I said, I am VAGUE, because there are some people with fewer disabilities, but infinately more retarded then their POSSIBLY mentaly disabled offspring.

I think that particular condition is built on an inability to accept responsibility, while the child is, in fact OFTEN more responsible than those around them. I never said it was right, I said I could understand it.


18 posted on 12/05/2005 6:05:23 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: trimom

I have a niece (in her late 20s) who was told by all the doctors at two hospitals who said the same thing - her baby had downs syndrome, and also had fluid on the brain. They refused to get an abortion as an alternative, and they were counseled on the problems associated with their future disabled child.

Her and her husband and grandparents to be went through hell. They cried every night, and were terrified of the impending birth. Lo and behold, the baby was born and the baby was just perfect. The hospital did numerous tests on the baby and there was no fluid on the brain and no signs of downs syndrome.

I know they can't sue the hospital, but they went through such agony and suffering, and what if they had actually gone through with the abortion??? What was it in the ultrasound that makes doctors think a baby is a downs baby and has fluid on the brain???

Thank god they didn't listen to them.


19 posted on 12/05/2005 6:08:18 PM PST by SeniorMoment
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To: OldFriend

Doctors are herd animals.


20 posted on 12/05/2005 6:08:47 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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