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Homeschooled Teen Wins Top Science Honor
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Posted on 12/05/2005 1:02:05 PM PST by anymouse

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To: Victoria Delsoul

Homeschool ping.


41 posted on 12/05/2005 2:38:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: TheBigB
I tried to pass Calc I twice at College, and never could get it. Lotsa martian symbols on the board, and a prof who spoke Vulcan...

I dropped out of Calc, too.  Just out of idleness, curiousity, and a calculus text from a used-book store, I taught myself calculus twenty years later.  I don't know why I couldn't get it in a classroom.  I also found that I never needed to have known calculus up to that point in my life, and looking back on it now, I have never used it since.  I guess not 'getting it' the first time was the universe telling me, 'Don't bother.'
42 posted on 12/05/2005 2:44:16 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: anymouse

Obviously wasn't dumbed down by other students ability to keep up.


43 posted on 12/05/2005 2:46:12 PM PST by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: TheBigB
Let us examine the problem of a helix uncoiling in n dimensions...

Why on earth would this come up in a calc I class? I teach the stuff.

Now you're going to encounter helices in biology, or at least double helices. Or maybe calc III. But once I saw an amazing math/biology talk, by a guy who used something very abstract ("knot theory", a branch of algebraic topology) to solve a certain problem in molecular biology. He helped the biologists figure out what "topoisomerase" does, an enzyme in the cell that helps with the problem of cutting and gluing DNA strands, so they can pass through each other when the cell does its incredible mitosis dividing process. The biologists subjected bacterial plasmid DNA loops to the stuff, and got odd links and chains as a result; they couldn't figure out the algebraic patterns, but the mathematician helped them do it.

44 posted on 12/05/2005 2:52:58 PM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: r9etb
Seriously, though: this guy is waayyyyy out at the right end of the bell curve.

Not as far as you think. My kids could factor a quadratic in their heads at six. It's not that hard. It's what we should be expecting considering what we're paying.

45 posted on 12/05/2005 3:19:14 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Having taken a bit of aerodynamics and math in my time, I can assure you that this kid's achievement is very far in advance of your kids' solving quadratic equations in their heads. He's one of those First Rank math types. It'll be interesting to see if we hear from him again.


46 posted on 12/05/2005 3:42:57 PM PST by r9etb
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To: BibChr
Ah! yet another brave child overcomes the crippling disadvantages of being educated by non-credentialed non-professionals!

Being personally tutored by someone with a Ph.D. in neuroscience is a bit unusual even for a homeschooler, isn't it?

I wouldn't necessarily call Dr. Mom a "non-credentialed non-professional".

47 posted on 12/05/2005 3:44:26 PM PST by Amelia (I thought conservatives were supposed to be rational.)
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48 posted on 12/05/2005 4:12:12 PM PST by Chasaway (Note to self: Remember to change your tagline!)
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To: Chasaway

Scenes you've never seen in the movies...


49 posted on 12/05/2005 4:13:45 PM PST by Chasaway (My puppy can lick your honor student...)
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To: r9etb
Having taken a bit of aerodynamics and math in my time, I can assure you that this kid's achievement is very far in advance of your kids' solving quadratic equations in their heads.

At six years old? The older one started self-teaching calculus at eleven.

Either way, I never claimed my kids were some sort of geniuses. Quite the contrary, if you read my prior post again, you'll note that I was saying that it SHOULD be expected. There's no reason we can't have an average child learning calculus by ten to eleven years old. None.

The kid in this story was adopted. I doubt that he was originally any sort of genetic genius either.

Children are far more capable than we realize, particularly when they have the emotional stability home education promotes, by which to focus upon a particular subject for extended periods of time.

50 posted on 12/05/2005 4:41:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Amelia
I wouldn't necessarily call Dr. Mom a "non-credentialed non-professional".

Not if you ask a "professional educator." If you don't have a degree in education, you have no business teaching anyone anything. Or so they say.

51 posted on 12/05/2005 4:44:06 PM PST by TheBigB ("Hey, barkeep, whose leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?"--Brian Griffin)
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To: TheBigB
If you don't have a degree in education, you have no business teaching anyone anything.

She didn't take the required Teaching Methods classes. (Probably didn't pay her union dues either.)

52 posted on 12/05/2005 5:07:01 PM PST by madprof98
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To: TheBigB
Not if you ask a "professional educator." If you don't have a degree in education, you have no business teaching anyone anything. Or so they say.

How many "professional educators" have you asked?

I'm a "professional educator". An education degree is in no way comparable to a Ph.D. in neuroscience.

53 posted on 12/05/2005 5:22:55 PM PST by Amelia (I thought conservatives were supposed to be rational.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Didn't mean to denigrate your kids -- the point is that this guy is wayyy to the right. And heck, maybe yours are too. No matter how you slice it, though, he ain't your normal sort.


54 posted on 12/05/2005 8:00:41 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
No matter how you slice it, though, he ain't your normal sort.

Not now, certainly. I'm merely pointing out that it's unlikely that raw genetic advantage is a significant factor.

55 posted on 12/05/2005 8:50:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm merely pointing out that it's unlikely that raw genetic advantage is a significant factor.

I'm merely disagreeing with you... ;-) This kid's special. His parents were a great help, of course, but math talent like that is born, not made.

56 posted on 12/05/2005 8:56:07 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Me too, but I still had a few more advanced mathematics classes to go.

I was told that us Aerospace Engineering students only needed 1 or 2 more classes to get a Math double major.

Unfortunately my brain was starting to run thin on Oxygen at the apogee of my mathematical training and I was lucky to regain my senses and pulling up my GPA to avoid auguring in before graduation. ;)
57 posted on 12/06/2005 1:44:07 AM PST by anymouse
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To: gcruse

I gutted out nearly 3 years of Calculus and higher mathematics only because I knew I needed to in order to graduate with a degree in Aerospace Engineering.

I've spent the last 20 years working in a wide variety of engineering functional positions and have never needed to use even the most basic Calculus to perform my job duties.

Heck, rarely do I even have to use Algebra or Trigonometry.

Now Geometry, that I have applied much more often, even in my personal life.


58 posted on 12/06/2005 1:55:18 AM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse

The judges were quoted as saying that Michael is so intelligent that they could NOT find the limits of his knowledge. WOW-O. He went right over the Judges heads! They will have to get a different test now. Good for him.


60 posted on 12/06/2005 6:58:14 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (A fun way to send care packages to troops: anysoldier.com)
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