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Big boost to battlefield operations [tank-based "shotgun" round!]
U.S. Army Public Affairs ^ | December 5, 2005 | Wakeland Kuamoo

Posted on 12/05/2005 11:02:45 AM PST by 68skylark

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To: Kenton

Picture the scene in "Swordfish" when the chick runs out of the bank wired with the explosives and pinballs, runs past the range of the transmitters, *Boom*.


81 posted on 12/05/2005 12:31:11 PM PST by Illuminatas (Being conservative means never having to say; "Dont you dare question my patriotism")
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To: edchambers

Nice that the M1A1s gun is smooth bore.


82 posted on 12/05/2005 12:34:21 PM PST by dhs12345 (w)
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To: Spok
combat got very up close and personal

To quote Seargent Major Basil Plumley (Sam Elliott) in We were Soldiers:

"Now That's a nice day..[...].."

83 posted on 12/05/2005 12:39:19 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: pawdoggie
Say...is that what lead to the concept of a shotgun-underslung from an M16 barrel??

I think it's called the "Lock-key" or omething; in the movie Predator, the long-haired scout named Billy carried one.

84 posted on 12/05/2005 12:42:58 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Tallguy
I can't imagine why it was never provided for the 120mm.

That's easy...the M1 Tank was conceived first and last as a killer of other tanks (unlike earlier US tanks). That is why they gave it the gas turbine engine, the night vision systems, stabilized gun, and eventually that 120-mm Rheinmetal smoothbore.

Yeah but not supplying cannister is like leaving the .50 cal off the top, it trashes a tanks ability to defend itself alone against close in infantry.

So9

85 posted on 12/05/2005 12:52:19 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: democrats_nightmare

It also shredded the Bonnie Prince's forces at Culloden.


86 posted on 12/05/2005 1:05:45 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Servant of the 9
Yeah but not supplying cannister is like leaving the .50 cal off the top, it trashes a tanks ability to defend itself alone against close in infantry.

I would tend to agree, but that was the thinking back then. Also, the basic load of the M1 would have to be re-jiggered. How many HEAT or Sabots do you want to give up in favor of a few Beehive rounds? Plus, Soviet doctrine called for their infantry to be mounted (BMP & BTR's) because they were probably sliming you (Chemicals). You'd kill mounted infantry with HEAT. Frankly, the M1 does need better anti-infantry capability...

87 posted on 12/05/2005 1:07:31 PM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: English Nationalist

"New? This was around in WW2."

They were shooting canister during the civil war...just not out of tanks.


88 posted on 12/05/2005 1:19:52 PM PST by Busywhiskers ("...moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society." --Judge Edith H. Jones)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Say...is that what lead to the concept of a shotgun-underslung from an M16 barrel??

I'm unfamiliar with that. It sounds like what we used to call an "unauthorized MWO" (maintenance work order). The M203, of course, is shotgun like, in the sense that you "break" it open (slide forward) to insert a round. I just remember that we found M203 barrels and hand guards scattered around the arms rooms, apparently some of the soldiers who were involuntarily turned into M203 "grenadiers" replaced the components with regular M16 hand guards.

89 posted on 12/05/2005 2:11:21 PM PST by pawdoggie
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To: 68skylark

Be nice if they could get a herd of goats or something and test fire it so we could get a look at what it's capable of.


90 posted on 12/05/2005 2:19:44 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: pawdoggie
Or wait...here's a link that explains what I was refering to:

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh17-e.htm

91 posted on 12/05/2005 2:26:26 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: domenad

I believe that is the idea.


92 posted on 12/05/2005 2:33:28 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Tallguy

"Frankly, the M1 does need better anti-infantry capability..."

Bring back the flamethrower.


93 posted on 12/05/2005 2:38:37 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: 68skylark

For a real kick, pop off white phospherous (Willy Peter) first. The skin burns have 'em jumpin' up and down out in the open just at the canister shot arrives.


94 posted on 12/05/2005 2:42:51 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Bring back the flamethrower.

Imagine the psychological impact of a "zippo" entering a contested city block in Falluja? Pretty demoralizing I would think.

95 posted on 12/05/2005 2:44:17 PM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: bnelson44

They said the round would be great for tankers confronted by massed enemy troops...

While that isn't that likely, it is nice to have in the arsenal.





it might be, just east of Iraq


96 posted on 12/05/2005 3:27:55 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Max in Utah

Similar to a shotgun round, Canister Rounds are cartridges made for the M1A1 main battle tanks, which are comprised of approximately 1,100 tungsten balls, three-eights of an inch in diameter, which are dispersed when fired from the main gun. The fuse-less rounds disperse the balls in a cone-like shape, increasing its impact area as the distance toward the target increases.




sure will clear a street


97 posted on 12/05/2005 3:29:17 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: ExcursionGuy84

Master Key is what you are refering to
more info is avaliable on Remington.com look for the 870 MCS or Modular Combat Shotgun


98 posted on 12/05/2005 3:37:03 PM PST by antihannityguy (When they come for your guns give them the ammo first)
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To: antihannityguy

Done, baked, roasted and pooped--OOOps, I mean...POPPED into the oven, antihannityguy.


99 posted on 12/05/2005 7:22:02 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: Servant of the 9

We had a 90 MM canister round for the main gun on our M48A3 tanks in Vietnam. Worked damn good against RPG gunners in ambushes, and other living things as well.


100 posted on 12/05/2005 8:07:40 PM PST by DMZFrank
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