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To: VadeRetro
Remine is a shuck-and-jive furniture-chewing ham amateur magician

An idiotic ad hominem aspersion...even for you, apparently made since you can't deal with his superior mathematical logic and credentials.

His hobby in magic only helps inform us of how he had perceived the sleight-of-hand deceptions of the naturalists...and helps expose it to all.

There is no way you can spin that debate. You lost.

Anyone who reads it will know what I mean.

771 posted on 12/07/2005 10:19:48 AM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: Paul Ross

His credentials? What credentials? Walter ReMine is an EE. How does that give him special expertise in the area of evolutionary biology?


772 posted on 12/07/2005 10:33:40 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Paul Ross
An idiotic ad hominem aspersion...even for you, apparently made since you can't deal with his superior mathematical logic and credentials.

I can understand Thomas just fine, despite his credentials being at least as "superior" as Remine's. That in fact is my point. Thomas has the goods for his position, presents them clearly, and explains clearly why they mean what he says they do.

By comparison, Remine sounds like Professor Irwin Corey. All smoke, mirrors, bafflegab, distraction, and evasion. He revels in being hard to understand. It is his refuge.

One thing that jumped out at me, having been exposed to some of Remine's arguments on previous FR threads, was that he saved his Haldane's Dilemma strawman for the third segment when he knew he was having the last word and couldn't be rebutted. Let's bring some of that forward.

Thomas cites "how simple genetic mutations ... can also produce radically new body plans."
Thomas wasn't making a theoretic point. It's a fact. We knock out one or two HOX or UBX genes and get fruit flies with stump legs on their abdomens, four wings instead of two, etc. But Remine waves it away with a strawman argument from the 1950s. It takes nerve to try to wave away a hard fact with a bad model.

But that runs into Haldane's Dilemma - a classic evolutionary problem a leading evolutionist acknowledges, "was never solved".[3] Haldane showed that species with low reproduction (higher vertebrates) could substitute beneficial mutations no faster than one per 300 generations, on average.[4, 5]
Now, I've already given you two sources on why Remine is an ass for still clutching at this straw. "No faster than one per 300 generations?"

Didn't get any reply from you on this post.

Then there was this post.

Remine is more buffoon than charlatan. You just have to know hocus-pocus when you're hearing it.

780 posted on 12/07/2005 12:29:06 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Paul Ross
One final point on clarity vs obscurity. Can anyone tell how ReMine would have answered Thomas's challenge in part 3 if he had in fact answered it?

I challenge ReMine to give a simple answer to this simple question in his Round 3 response: "Does Walter ReMine think humans and chimpanzees descended from a recent common ancestor?"

786 posted on 12/07/2005 1:03:47 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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