[VadeRetro]

An idiotic ad hominem aspersion...even for you, apparently made since you can't deal with his superior mathematical logic and credentials.

I can understand Thomas just fine, despite his credentials being at least as "superior" as Remine's. That in fact is my point. Thomas has the goods for his position, presents them clearly, and explains clearly why they mean what he says they do.

By comparison, Remine sounds like Professor Irwin Corey. All smoke, mirrors, bafflegab, distraction, and evasion. He revels in being hard to understand. It is his refuge.

One thing that jumped out at me, having been exposed to some of Remine's arguments on previous FR threads, was that he saved his Haldane's Dilemma strawman for the third segment when he knew he was having the last word and couldn't be rebutted. Let's bring some of that forward.

Thomas cites "how simple genetic mutations ... can also produce radically new body plans."

Thomas wasn't making a theoretic point. It's a fact. We knock out one or two HOX or UBX genes and get fruit flies with stump legs on their abdomens, four wings instead of two, etc. But Remine waves it away with a strawman argument from the 1950s. It takes nerve to try to wave away a hard fact with a bad model.

But that runs into Haldane's Dilemma - a classic evolutionary problem a leading evolutionist acknowledges, "was never solved".[3] Haldane showed that species with low reproduction (higher vertebrates) could substitute beneficial mutations no faster than one per 300 generations, on average.[4, 5]

Now, I've already given you two sources on why Remine is an ass for still clutching at this straw. "No faster than one per 300 generations?"

Didn't get any reply from you on this post.

Then there was this post.

Remine is more buffoon than charlatan. You just have to know hocus-pocus when you're hearing it.

[VadeRetro]

We knock out one or two HOX or UBX genes and get fruit flies with stump legs on their abdomens, four wings instead of two, etc.

My own lack of expertise is clearly demonstrated in the previous post. UBX is a HOX gene.

[Paul Ross]

"No faster than one per 300 generations?"

You can't read contextually, can you. This was for HIGHER VERTEBRATES. Remember that? Guess not.

This misbegotten effort by you to obfuscate your chalatan ways....is manifest. Your side is doing the hocus-pocus and to label Remine the "charlatan" is dishonesty on steroid. You are shown up when you misquote him this way. SO, wake up and smell the coffee.

And medved was the one always thumped on the Haldane Dilemma, not vice versa. Seems to me he did the same as you, misquoting.

So you are busted: All smoke, mirrors, bafflegab, distraction, and evasion.

Yup, that's you.