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Intelligent design’s long march to nowhere
Science & Theology News ^ | 05 December 2005 | Karl Giberson

Posted on 12/05/2005 4:06:56 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: js1138
"Natural Theology" was written in 1802. What new concept has arisen in the ID movement since then?

Scientific evidence that may demonstrate irreducible complexity - that is the new concept.

Natural theology is a concept of theology (thus the name). ID has nothing to do with theology. Natural theology goes back much further than 1802 and Paley's book - Thomas Aquinas was big into this concept 600 years earlier.

Natural theology are arguments based on a deity. There is no deity in ID - other groups with theology as their root embrace ID in their effort to support the concept of deity but ID does not contain a deity - just evidence of design rather than evolution. If someone claims the "designer" of the irreducible complexity is God - that is their trip, but it not part of ID.

481 posted on 12/05/2005 7:45:17 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Right Wing Professor
. . . it shows how crazy it's gotten.

What do you mean, "crazy?" Just a minor glitch in the heartless process of natural selection, etc. Just the "laws of nature" at work. Onward and upward, you know.

482 posted on 12/05/2005 7:48:11 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: pby
Nonsense. Just because I might not agree on everything with a person doesn't mean that I cannot ever agree with him. That's the "strange bedfellows" bit. It's still not quote mining, unless you can demonstrate that PatrickHenry took the words out of context to change their meaning (which is where the "mining" part comes in.
Karl Giberson also states that, "Behe is right, of course, that there are many such complex things in nature that evolution cannot presently explain."

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. It's true on its face. Doesn't mean that we have to leap to supernatural conclusions.

The standard seems much higher when it is the other way around.

You might want to have that persecution complex checked out. Stop it before it spreads. ;-)

483 posted on 12/05/2005 7:58:27 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PatrickHenry
He said his injuries included a broken tooth.

500 years from now when some hapless paleontologist unearths his bones the "scientific" conclusion will be this fellow dined on a few too many corn nuts.

484 posted on 12/05/2005 7:59:04 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

You despicable excuse for a human being.


485 posted on 12/05/2005 8:00:04 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

How many posts before some creationists defends these guys?


486 posted on 12/05/2005 8:00:10 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Fester's gloating already. DSC just a week ago advocated doing what these guys did.


487 posted on 12/05/2005 8:01:50 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Just a minor glitch in the heartless process of natural selection, etc. Just the "laws of nature" at work.

Professor, who possesses a cell phone decides to pull over and park to let a tailgater by. Said tailgater parks behind said Professor. The wise professor instead of driving off and using cell phone to report tailgater decides for whatever reason to chat with the exhaust sniffing sportsman. I'd rather not believe it happened than to accept the the story and realize that this person teaches at a university level.

488 posted on 12/05/2005 8:02:21 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Hehe. You wouldn't happen to be wearing a red baseball cap and wool gloves, would you?


489 posted on 12/05/2005 8:02:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Not now.


490 posted on 12/05/2005 8:04:29 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Hmmmmm

Over use of "s" in the present tense; one and only one should be used.


491 posted on 12/05/2005 8:05:51 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AndrewC
It's possible it's a hoax. If it isn't, you basically just blamed him for being beaten up.

I live in rural Nebraska. If a couple of guys were tailigating me, I would probably pull over, and might well get out to ask them what was up. This is not the kind of place you expect to have stragners attack you.

492 posted on 12/05/2005 8:06:10 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I didn't read far enough. Not one creationist will criticize this either.


493 posted on 12/05/2005 8:07:05 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

You might want to have that persecution complex checked out.


494 posted on 12/05/2005 8:09:06 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Right Wing Professor
This is not the kind of place you expect to have strangers attack you.

Like natural selection and random mutations, it can happen anywhere, anytime.

495 posted on 12/05/2005 8:12:43 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Right Wing Professor
If anyone ever threatens you call for Wolf in Chicago or any other Freeper.

Thats regardless of what goes down in these boards.

Wolf
496 posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:42 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor
Not one creationist will criticize this either.

About as many creationists as criticized the repeated lies and perjury of the Dover school board, I'll wager.

We know from that they apparently don't consider lying to infidels to be a problem, how do they feel about advance their agenda through the use of fists?

497 posted on 12/05/2005 8:14:40 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Right Wing Professor
It's possible it's a hoax. If it isn't, you basically just blamed him for being beaten up.

No. I "blamed" him for being stupid if it is true. If the guys were in a police car with lights and that happened, he wouldn't have been stupid just beaten up. If it is true the guys need to be punished to the full extent of the law. It is just that Denmark comes to mind.

498 posted on 12/05/2005 8:15:24 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: RunningWolf

Well, thanks for the offer, Wolf, but I can take care of myself. I'm no liberal, and I'm a big fan of the second amendment.


499 posted on 12/05/2005 8:18:28 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
I would probably pull over, and might well get out to ask them what was up. This is not the kind of place you expect to have stragners attack you.

I would advise against that even in Amish country. A tailgating buggy is up to no good.(or you are going d*mn slow)

500 posted on 12/05/2005 8:18:30 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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