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UN expresses deep concern over Saddam trial (UN claims Saddam's "human rights" violated)
Reuters ^ | 04 Dec 2005 12:43:06 GMT | Paul Tait

Posted on 12/04/2005 2:28:42 PM PST by indcons

BAGHDAD, Dec 4 (Reuters) - Attacks on lawyers and flaws in the Iraqi justice system mean the trial of Saddam Hussein on charges of crimes against humanity will never satisfy international standards, a U.N. rights official said on Sunday.

John Pace, human rights chief at the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq, also condemned what he called illegal detentions by Iraqi and U.S. military authorities, including thousands of suspects held at Abu Ghraib prison.

Pace expressed deep concern over the progress of the Saddam trial, which has had two brief hearings of a few hours each since Oct. 19, and resumes on Monday.

"We're concerned already by what we have seen, we are concerned by the murder of two defence lawyers and the serious wounding of another," Pace told Reuters in Baghdad.

"There is already a paralysis in the legitimacy of the defence," he said in an interview at the U.N.'s fortified compound, adding that defence counsel had to be able to work freely and effectively for the trial to be considered fair.

"We believe that weakness in the system of administration of justice, in addition to the antecedents surrounding the establishment of this tribunal, will never be able to produce the kind of process that would be able to satisfy international standards," Pace said.

"We're very anxious about the tribunal. The legitimacy of the tribunal needs to be examined. It has been seriously challenged in many quarters."

Hearings were adjourned for a week last Monday so that two of Saddam's seven co-defendants, former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan and former intelligence chief Barzan al-Tikriti, Saddam's half-brother, could find new lawyers after one advocate was killed and another fled Iraq in fear last month. Another defence lawyer was killed separately.

The killing of lawyers Adil al-Zubeidi and Saadoun al-Janabi renewed international concerns about whether the trial could be held in Iraq amid widespread sectarian violence between Sunni Arabs dominant under Saddam and the Shi'ite majority.

The United Nations has no role in the trial, which is being conducted by a five-judge panel under a tribunal appointed by U.S. occupation forces, but has called for an independent probe into the deaths of the lawyers.

Rights groups have argued the Saddam trial should follow other war crimes cases like those for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia and be heard in an international forum like the International Criminal Court, which Washington does not support.

The Iraqi government and its U.S. backers say Iraqis should judge Saddam.

INTERNATIONAL FORUM

Pace said significant human rights issues were involved, which meant the trial should be heard in an international forum.

"The trial should serve as a deterrent against the repetition of the violations of human rights witnessed under Saddam Hussein," Pace said.

Saddam and his co-accused are charged with crimes against humanity in relation to the deaths of 148 men from the town of Dujail, north of Baghdad, after an attempt to kill him in 1982.

All defendants have pleaded not guilty. They could face death by hanging if convicted. The United Nations opposes the death penalty.

"There are several other serious human rights crimes other than the Dujail case that also need to be addressed," Pace said.

He also expressed serious concern about the continued detention of thousands of Iraqis in Iraqi and U.S. facilities.

The United Nations has called for an international probe into Iraqi jails after the discovery last month of an Interior Ministry bunker where 173 malnourished men and teenagers were found, some of whom showed signs of torture.

Pace said he was worried there were many more unofficial facilities yet to be found.

"Baghdad and other centres are littered with unofficial detention places, mainly in former palaces or guest houses or other areas around Baghdad which are notoriously used for detaining people," he said.

He said all those held in detention centres not run by the Ministry of Justice, including the roughly 14,000 being held in U.S. military facilities like Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, were technically being held against the law.

"None of these people have any real recourse to protection and therefore we speak publicly of the total breakdown in the protection of the individual in this country," Pace said.

The discovery of the Interior Ministry bunker fuelled sectarian tensions ahead of Dec. 15 elections.

Sunni Arab political leaders have demanded an international investigation into allegations that Shi'ite militias linked to the ministry were responsible for torture and abuse. The Shi'ite and Kurdish-led government has rejected the claims.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: kofiannan; oilforfood; saddam; saddamhussein; saddamtrial; un; unitednations
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Attacks on lawyers and flaws in the Iraqi justice system mean the trial of Saddam Hussein on charges of crimes against humanity will never satisfy international standards the political UN agenda, a U.N. rights official said on Sunday.
1 posted on 12/04/2005 2:28:46 PM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

The folks found in Saddam's mass graves were unavailable for comment.


2 posted on 12/04/2005 2:29:45 PM PST by sono (In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat.)
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To: indcons

Isn't that special. And oh so predictable.


3 posted on 12/04/2005 2:29:49 PM PST by hershey
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The UN has created its own site to "counter Oil for Food propoganda":

Oilforfoodfacts.org, which is sponsored by the UN Foundation, will be a source of accurate and timely information about the important humanitarian contributions made by the OFFP. The site will provide factual information on the known problems with this program, and also correct the record about unproven or inaccurate charges.
4 posted on 12/04/2005 2:33:28 PM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: indcons

I'm surprised the UN hasn't offered Saddam an at large seat on the Human Rights Commission.


5 posted on 12/04/2005 2:33:59 PM PST by neodad (My ex-wife is stuck on stupid.)
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To: indcons

Yeah....we need a decade long trial for Saddam like Milosivics...

Also...where were these people when Saddam had KIDS..YOUNG BOYS in these prisons???


6 posted on 12/04/2005 2:36:04 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: indcons

The United Nations: Protecting the rights of murderous tyrants for sixty years.

Seriously now, when did the UN ever express concern about legal standards, or justice, inside Iraq?


7 posted on 12/04/2005 2:36:32 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: indcons

Don't you first have to be human?

This is ridiculous, and oh so predictable from the UN.


8 posted on 12/04/2005 2:37:17 PM PST by Theresawithanh (You'll get me to stop posting on FR when you wrench my laptop from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: indcons

I read that this strategy had been suggested by Ramsey Clark. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's a procedural defense, and that's what has won most lawsuits in the US.


9 posted on 12/04/2005 2:37:51 PM PST by livius
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To: indcons

If there was any doubt about which side the UN is on that doubt should now be satisfied.

Get them the hell out of the United States NOW.

Let them set up in Iran. they will be much more comfortable around their own kind of people.


10 posted on 12/04/2005 2:38:15 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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........where were these people when Saddam had KIDS..YOUNG BOYS in these prisons???

....or murdered the babies along with the mothers, each with a bullet in the brain? Even that atrocity was recently found, in a mass grave.

11 posted on 12/04/2005 2:40:06 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: neodad

Don't give them ideas now ;)


12 posted on 12/04/2005 2:40:31 PM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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To: indcons

This only makes me laugh, what is it with these people?


13 posted on 12/04/2005 2:41:19 PM PST by 359Henrie
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To: 359Henrie

What the hell are international standards, anyway?


14 posted on 12/04/2005 2:43:58 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: indcons

Not another dime. BTW, turn the UN into condo's. End of story.


15 posted on 12/04/2005 2:43:59 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: indcons
Pace said significant human rights issues were involved, which meant the trial should be heard in an international forum.

what's the problem ? You can have him after the Iraqis get done with him.
16 posted on 12/04/2005 2:46:28 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: sgtbono2002
And the Rats continue to believe in the UN. The sorry UN record includes conducting child protitution rings in Africa and managing the greatest scandal in history in Oil for Food

For example,DUmmie bigbrother05 disagrees: "I had posted before I saw your post, said the trial should be moved to the Hague. Doesn't sound like the American's have much evidence to offer. It should be moved to an international court."

Dummy Daleo agrees, "A U.S. network correspondent, speaking after the second session, was also surprised at the apparently flimsy evidence."
17 posted on 12/04/2005 2:47:56 PM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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I got an idea...
Let's hand him over to syria and let them run the show since nobody likes the U.S. doing it.
When Saddam gets loose, this time we can put him down like we should have the first time around.

Better yet, let Iran handle him in their "courts".


18 posted on 12/04/2005 2:48:18 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: ClaireSolt

I think they are USA sucks and you cant tow my car, I'm in the U.N.


19 posted on 12/04/2005 2:48:45 PM PST by 359Henrie
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To: indcons
a U.N. rights official said on Sunday.

Hey, UN. Nobody gives a flying FReep what you think so just STFU.

20 posted on 12/04/2005 2:50:33 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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