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Record Columnist ^ | 12/03/05 | MICHAEL FITZGERALD

Posted on 12/02/2005 10:54:11 PM PST by Pikamax

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To: Pikamax
I keep my koran on a perforated roll right next to the ceramic, flushable offertory font in a little chapel I frequent right down the hall from my bedroom.
41 posted on 12/03/2005 3:44:09 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Pikamax

OK, take the pages off and if the toilet is big enough, flush em.


42 posted on 12/03/2005 4:00:19 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Squeako; Fred Nerks
Thanks for the pictures, guys -- I just have one observation.

I can't tell that the kalashnikov is wrapped in pages from the koran -- to me, it just looks like it is dirty and has been dipped in sh*t.

(Or maybe that's a case of, "same diff."

43 posted on 12/03/2005 5:20:55 AM PST by Malacoda (The Posting Police annoy me)
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To: Pikamax

Get used to it, Akbar. "Artists" pissing on anyone's religion is pretty much standard fare in the US. It's time your insane death cult took a few whacks so just sit down and shut up.


44 posted on 12/03/2005 6:17:29 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Pikamax
Saying "defacing the Quran" was "unacceptable," Al-Otoum asked that the work be removed from the exhibition; that the Quran pages be separated from the artwork and given to him, "to burn and bury them according to Islamic tradition"...

Or, give the pages to me, and I will make sure they get the disposal they so fully deserve.

45 posted on 12/03/2005 7:59:20 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: goldstategop

What chapter of The Quran describes the"correct"method to Be-Head the Infidels?Doesn't sound too PEACEFUL to me!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 12/03/2005 8:02:27 AM PST by bandleader
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To: XHogPilot

Remind you of a joke?


We haven't played Cowboys and Muslims yet..


47 posted on 12/03/2005 8:07:33 AM PST by sgtyork (jack murtha and the media -- unconditional surrender used to mean the enemy surrendered)
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To: Fred Nerks; AmericanArchConservative; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Cornpone; Former Dodger
Right after 9/11 my "artistic" side had me thinking about ripping a korans cover off and impaling it on two metal spikes, burning the top few pages and smearing it with excrement.

This was not intended as a mindless act, but as a work to show how islam would be thoroughly unveiled (cover torn off), after the islamic hijackers hit the twin towers (the two metal spikes and the burning), and how their religion would be dragged thru the sewer afterwards (the excrement) as people understood their motivations.

I might just send off for another one of those free korans and donate my finsihed work to a gallery one day. BTW, thanks for the pics. I would enjoy reading which passages of the koran (sura 9?) the artist pasted to the AK 47. One wonders exactly what muslims find offensive nowadays and what constitutes "islamic text" that must not be "defiled" or "disrespected."

They were up in arms a few years ago when merchandise from the soccer world cup contained the saudi flag (along with the flags of all the other competing nations) because the flag has an inscription of the shahadah (declaration of faith). I think it was McDonald's who also ran the flags on some of it's bags... anyways, the point of all this is RoPers seethed and were on the verge of exploding again because these items would end up thrown in the trash, along with their precious shahadah.

They can find fault with practically anything to use it as an excuse to explode, and that leads me to the real issue here. The muslims crave to have their sense of superiority over all others re-enforced while they are stranded in the vast ocean of the darul harb. In islam, it's not only necessary to feel you are superior than the infidel, but to humiliate those who are to be your dhimmis with your power and control over their lives.

What is really happening here is these RoPers are trying to get their "fix" of islamic superiority. They make up a list of grievances, legitimate or not, of everything from toy pigs, to McDonalds wrappers, and made demands of the clueless dhimmis. The clueless PC soon-to-be dhimmi sees these concessions as something minor and unimportant. After all, it's simply "respecting" someone elses "religion" on a muslims say-so.

The muslim agitator sees something else... he/she sees islam triumph over the unbelievers again. It does not matter that islam does not prohibit toy pigs, only the consumption and dealing with the real animal. What matters is the word of a muslim has been taken over that of an infidel, and thus reinforced sharia, islams cornerstone.

Now, once again, they are in awe at the powers of allah over the unbeliever, and it reinforces all those islamic supremacist ideas in their heads when the kuffar artists, publishers, editors, McDonalds, owners of toy pigs etc are humiliated and forced to submit to islam as their ideology dictates, and makes them bolder.

48 posted on 12/03/2005 10:03:10 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Pikamax
"He said the Muslim community had to resist this or they'll be relegated to the treatment the American Indian or African-American community has received in this county,"

I'm gagged by these creatures who step off the boat and start spouting this "we're the victims of white racism" crap. You don't have a right to be here, if you don't like it go home, settler.

49 posted on 12/03/2005 10:19:17 AM PST by jordan8
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To: USF

I urinate upon their heads vigorously, and from great height!

{Then I tell them it is raining, a gift for the "prophet", Piss Be Upon him!}

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced - have you pissed off {or pissed on} a moslem today?"


50 posted on 12/03/2005 10:27:31 AM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: USF

"What is really happening here is these RoPers are trying to get their "fix" of islamic superiority. They make up a list of grievances, legitimate or not, of everything from toy pigs, to McDonalds wrappers, and made demands of the clueless dhimmis. The clueless PC soon-to-be dhimmi sees these concessions as something minor and unimportant. After all, it's simply "respecting" someone elses "religion" on a muslims say-so."

Remember the English publican who put up a sign 'Porking Area' instead of Parking Area? A muzzie spotted it, reported him, and he was forced to change the sign. I do not have a link, but I recall the article explained a local islamic group actually appointed a number of young men whose express purpose was to seek out ANYTHING that might be seen as offensive to islam.

We're missing an awful lot of opportunities. We can't offend or humiliate islam enough! (Just think, if every westerner had the guts to say mohammad was a pirate-pedophile-cutthroat psychopath and earned themselves the death penalty...oh heck, they already have...


51 posted on 12/03/2005 1:38:35 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF
FOR more than 100 years it stood proudly as the centrepiece of England's oldest public park before being decapitated during a Second World War air raid. Now a row has broken out after plans to replace Derby's historic Florentine Boar statue were abandoned for fear of offending Muslims, whose religion considers pigs to be 'unclean'.

A replica of the statue, a crouching wild boar, was intended as the jewel in the crown of a Pounds 5 million National Lottery- funded restoration of the city's Arboretum Park.

But councillors have called for the proposal to be scrapped amid sinister warnings that the statue would be vandalised or stolen.

The Florentine Boar statue stood from 1840 until 1942 when it was beheaded by a German bomb. But it was last week branded 'offensive' during a meeting of Derby Council's minority ethnic communities advisory committee.

Councillor Suman Gupta, a Labour representative for Derby's Derwent ward, told the meeting: 'If the statue is put back in the Arboretum, I have been told it will not be there the next day, or at least it won't be in the same condition.

'We should not have the boar because it is offensive to some of the groups in the area.' The park is in an area known for its large Pakistani community.

Shokat Lal, a community leader, said at the meeting: 'In Normanton the majority of residents are Pakistani Muslims.

'I'm not saying we have to lose the boar, but we could put the boar in the city centre so it does not cause offence to people.' Local historian Christopher Harris told The Mail on Sunday: 'We are living in a multicultural society and I hope that would include English culture.

'If the boar had never been destroyed in 1941, these people would have grown up with it and would not have noticed it.

'Activists have jumped on the chance to make a statement. It is one that damns English culture-But the wild boar is part of Derby's culture.' He said a small minority of Muslims with extreme political views had issued veiled threats to the council over the statue.

The land for the park was donated to the council in September 1840 by Joseph Strutt, the first mayor of the Borough of Derby, a wealthy cotton mill owner who wanted to give the public a place to exercise.

He commissioned architect J.C. Loudon to landscape the area. The hollow ceramic boar was donated by Mr Strutt.

Sculpted on commission by W. J. Coffee - and based on drawings of a similar statue in the Market Nuovo in Florence - it was intended as a gift to the working classes of Derby.

Last week's committee meeting proposed that a statue of Mr Loudon should be erected at the Arboretum with a new site for the boar in the city centre.

Last night, Councillor Gupta told The Mail on Sunday: ' Communities change.'

Tory leader Philip Hickson said: 'The community is strong enough to stand a statue of a boar in a park. But we live in an age where sometimes things are a little more politically correct than they ought to be.'


52 posted on 12/03/2005 1:47:50 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger; jan in Colorado

UK: "porking yard" sign offends Muslims, owner hauled into court Galloping UK dhimmitude alert. You just can't make up this sort of thing. (But what's an "Asbo"?) "Car Park Sign Asbo 'A Joke' Says Pub Landlord," from the Scotsman, with thanks to plishman:

A man who was made subject to an Anti-Social Behaviour Order for putting up a sign saying "porking yard" in his pub car park, because it was offensive to Muslims, today described the court action as "a joke". Leroy Trought, 42, was given a two-year Asbo at a hearing at Bristol Magistrates' Court on Monday.

Magistrates ordered him to change the wording of the "porking yard" sign at The Swan With Two Necks in St Judes, Bristol, to "parking yard".

He was ordered not to display any signs that may be threatening, abusive or insulting at the pub, which is next to a Somali mosque....

But Mr Trought today said that imposing the Asbo was a joke.

He said the sign was intended to commemorate the large number of butchers' shops that used to be located in the area and he had never intended to cause any offence.

He said: "We ran a competition in the pub to think of a funny name for the car park and one of the customers came up with the name 'the porking yard'.

"I grew up in Bristol so I know that this area has traditionally had a lot of butchers. It was always known as 'pork alley' so 'the porking yard' just seemed to fit.

"There's a butcher across the street that has been here for more than 100 years. It's political correctness gone mad....

That it is, my good man.

Beat manager Adrian Williams, of Avon and Somerset Police, welcomed the Asbo. He said he had received complaints about the sign from school teachers, community leaders and members of the Somali community.

He said: "We are very pleased that the order has been made following complaints from the community.

"It shows that this kind of behaviour, which is provocative, will not be tolerated."

Will anything non-Islamic be long tolerated in Britain?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005483.php

53 posted on 12/03/2005 1:58:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks; USF; Former Dodger; ariamne; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies

We all know the extent to which mo-Ham-Mad the false prophet plagiarised his "religion" from Christianity, from Arab pantheism, from Persian Zoroastrianism...

He also "borrowed" {okay, stole} wretchedly from Judaism, revising to suit his own wants and needs as he went along. The Jewish dietary stricture against pork was chief among his outright thefts.

My simple point {and it has been made more effectively before by others} is this: I have been unable to locate a single example, even one solitary point in history where Jewish immigrants made such an inflexible position vis-a-vis pigs in the public forum, a matter of deep religious/cultural intolerance and indignancy.

If the Jews have not seen fit to howl and rail against the ham-eating goyim around them through the last three thousand years, then why the heck are the P.R.O.P.-ers so damned easily deeply offended? And why ought we accord them any credibility, let alone compromise with such an uncivil band of whiners? Accede to their demands? Never

Let them see pork, I say! A freshly severed hog's head for the welcome mat of every mosque, and a brushstroke of pig's blood on each door frame...as tokens of our affection and respect!

I am sick and tired of these people...let them crawl to Hell, wrapped in the skin of a freshly slaughtered oreodont.

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced - step right up and get your throwing balloons filled with pig's blood! Visit your nearest mosque and offer your sanguineous regards."


54 posted on 12/03/2005 3:25:32 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Pikamax

These young muslims. They blow up so fast.


55 posted on 12/03/2005 3:27:08 PM PST by Bernard (You can either deal with your situation or be a liberal about it.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

The arabs had camels, goats and sheep, right? Animals that could survive on sparse vegetation...the arabs would never have encountered a pig in their nomadic existence on the Peninsula - I'm guessing here, but I can imagine wild pigs being native to forested areas - if there were any, in the Middle East. They were later domesticated and bred in areas where agriculture was practised. Wild pigs to this day, and we have many in Australia, are known to be worm-infested and eating the meat, unless it is very well cooked, is considered a health risk.

Did the Egyptians eat pork? Of all the illustrations I have seen in numerous tombs etc., not one pig do I recall. The arabs fled the Peninsula and crossed over into Egypt at the time of the Exodus. Approx two thousand years later, mohammad heard a Hebrew wise man repeat the dietary laws of the Original Testament, and finding this, amongst much else from Hebrew Lore, useful, commandeered the law against eating the flesh of a pig for his own use.

Methinks the rules of what may be eaten have their origin in Egypt. An ancient culture, they understood that crustaceans for example, were bottom feeders. They knew that wild pigs were infested with worms that could be transferred to people.

Islam, being a plagiarized belief system, with the majority of its followers both ignorant of history and illiterate, has no knowledge base other than the pitiful disgrace they refer to as a holy book - so muslims are condemned to believe and accept that allah finds pigs offensive...proves one thing to me; allah isn't the same God who made pigs!

Silly muzzies. I worked for jewish people for many years and they were never less jewish after a ham sandwich! The Hebrew G-d obviously just cared about their health when He warned them.


56 posted on 12/03/2005 4:22:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

57 posted on 12/03/2005 4:31:17 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: AmericanArchConservative
http://www.co.beaufort.sc.us/bftlib/pigs5.htm#Watermeloink

have a pig-out on me! oooooooh just wait until the muzzies get a load of this!


58 posted on 12/03/2005 4:40:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: AmericanArchConservative; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Former Dodger
If the Jews have not seen fit to howl and rail against the ham-eating goyim around them through the last three thousand years, then why the heck are the P.R.O.P.-ers so damned easily deeply offended?

I also recall the Hindu reverence for cows. For Hindus, cows can be considered holy animals, and not only do they refrain from eating them, they dare not even hassle or offend them. I've seen huge lines of traffic in India when a cow simply decides to park it's butt in the middle of the road to rest, and the locals dare not even prod it or shove it out of their way.

Surely Hindu have a better case against the mistreatment or misrepresentation of cows or consumption of beef than a muslime does for pork? Imagine what a Hindu immigrant makes of the entire industries we have in the west that are built around killing cows and grinding their precious meat up. They would have a far better case to demand burger chains close and for stores not to sell beef than any whining muslim does about toys or pictorial displays relating to pigs. Yet, those damn RoPers use this "pig" excuse day and night to try and remind the kuffar who is the boss.

What they are essentially saying is "I'm a muslim, my word is better than any of yours, and you have to bow down and do as I tell you even if I'm making this stuff up as I go along," essentially invoking sharia in the west and trying to have elements of it enforced by useful idiots. When they are done humiliating the kuffar with one thing, they'll move on to something else... this is simply the thin end of the wedge.

The status of any dhimmi is a tentative one at best, and can easily be revoked for the the alternative (death) if the dhimmi refuses to put up with the humiliations muslims are required to bestow upon them.

Even payment of the jizra was supposed to be a humiliating experience as possible for the dhimmi, and done in a way where he was made to feel subdued and inferior as commanded in the koran:

9.29
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

The renowned Imaam an-Nawawi (author of 40 hadeeth) described how the dhimmi must be humiliated by muslims even if he's willing to pay the jizya:

"…The infidel who wishes to pay his poll tax must be treated with disdain by the collector: the collector remains seated and the infidel remains standing in front of him, his head bowed and his back bent. The infidel personally must place the money on the scales, while the collector holds him by the beard, and strikes him on both cheeks…"

As I said in my comment #50, they can't do that in the darul harb, so they have to get their "fix" in other ways. Clueless apologists refuse to see it, but the muslim agitator knows exactly what they are doing.

59 posted on 12/03/2005 7:08:14 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Fred Nerks; AmericanArchConservative; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies
Thanks Fred... loads more examples out there. Lets not forget the poor woman who had her house raided by police (yet again taking the word of a muslim over that of an infidel, and in effect doing the duties of "religious police" enforcing sharia law in the west) to remove porcelain pigs from inside the windows of her house. I tried to look for a link, and then realized someone had posted it over at jihadwatch:

China pigs controversy

The Times (26.05.98) reports that: "Nancy Bennett, 49, who faces possible prosecution after complaints from Muslims over a display of china pigs in the front window of her home in Leicester, had a quotation from the Koran alongside them, it emerged yesterday". The first national newspaper to report on the case was the Sun (25.05.98). To date, there has been no reports from Leicester papers. The Independent (26.05.98) reports that Ms Bennett, who lives near the Highfields Mosque, claims the complaint about the pig ornaments "was made after she went to the police to report allegations of harassment. It is understood that the pigs were displayed alongside a quote from the Qur’an which said: ‘Let there be no coercion in religion’. Leicestershire Police were investigating the matter and would be sending a file to the Crown Prosecution Service, who might consider bringing charges against Ms Bennett under the Public Order Act (Dundee Evening Telegraph, 25.05.98).

Ms Bennett explained that on 24 May: "I arrived home to find the police about to break into my house. They had a warrant. They said they had had complaints about the pigs from neighbours, they considered it was a public order matter and took about 17 of them. I have been told not to replace them. I am sure I am not the only person in Britain who collects ceramic pigs". Leicester Federation of Muslim Organisations’ spokesperson, Yaqub Khan, said that people believed Ms Bennett was aware of the possibility of causing offence, particularly as her house was on the main route to the Central Mosque. He said: "There are a number of people who keep china pigs in their houses and we have never objected to those" (Kidderminster Express & Star, 25.05.98).

More islamic fun (I was drinking alcohol because it was Eid, you stupid dhimmi!):

Eid drink-driving

Naseem Ul-Haq Kashwana, the owner of an import business in Salford, appeared before Rochdale magistrates charged with drink driving. Mr Kashwana explained that he had been celebrating the Muslim festival of Eid by drinking whisky with a business associate. When stopped by police for erratic driving and breathalysed, he was found to be considerably over the legal limit. He was banned for 12 months and fined £175 with costs (Rochdale Observer, 09.05.98).

And then there this one:

NIKE BUILDING PLAYGROUND AT ISLAMIC CENTER TO ATONE FOR ALLAH LOGO ON SNEAKERS

November 24, 1998

Are Muslims "shaking down" the giant Nike shoe firm over a questionable design which some say resembled the word GOD in Arabic? Selling forgiveness -- a new twist on the old Catholic practice of peddling indulgences -- may again become a religious rage.

Nearly two years ago, Islamic groups became incensed when the giant Nike Corporation, a leading sneaker manufacturer, rolled out a new model with the word "Air" written on it in stylized lettering. Muslims charged that the logo resembled the Arab script for the word "Allah," which, of course, is considered a profane and sinful use of their deity's name.

At first one is tempted to simply chalk this up as just so much nonsense. After all, people "see" or "sense" everything from alien space craft in the night sky to "sinful" subliminal messaged in videos and on rock 'n roll albums. Isn't this just so much absurdity and hypersensitivity?

The Nike Corporation doesn't think so, and in Falls Church, Virginia, the giant multinational company has begun construction of a $50,000 playground at a neighborhood Mosque to "make amends" for the logo gaffe, reports Associated Press. Nike recalled more than 38,000 pairs of the sneakers, and agreed to construct several playgrounds for Muslim communities. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Washington, D.C.- based Muslim group that originally raised the Nike logo issue, demanded that the firm should submit to a "sensitivity training" session on the Islamic cult. Executive Nihad Awad even wanted the shoe manufacturer to investigate whether "there are people at the company who want to insult Muslims..."

When Nike agreed to withdraw the sneakers from the market -- the first time any of the company's products had been pulled -- CAIR issued a press release describing the action as a "victory" for millions of Islamists in the United States. "Many ... may not understand how offensive it is to have the name of God on a shoe," said Awad. "The shoe gets dirty. It gets muddy. It gets sweaty. We believe this is disrespectful to the name of God."

And this one:

Coca cola says "No Mohammed No Allah!"

If you read the stylized Coca-Cola label in a mirror, you can see it says "No Mohammed No Allah." Many Muslims worldwide still think that the name Coca-Cola was chosen and written in this font deliberately to insult Muslims when the brand-name is reflected in a mirror...


60 posted on 12/03/2005 7:40:39 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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