[fanfan]

But be honest, the middle mum and pop aren't quite like that - they are not virulently socialist but you can see they do have heavy social democratic beliefs and monarchist tendencies and "What does the government provide me?" mentality is very prevalent.

When was the last time you were here, NZer?

Your Canadian bashing is becoming tiresome to say the least.

[NZerFromHK]

Two years ago. In the vote-rich Windsor-Toronto-Ottawa triangle in Ontario and Montreal/Cantons-d'Est areas in Quebec no less.

Don't deceive yourself. Ontario cannot be where it is if the middle mum and pop Anglophone voters don't agree to the Liberal Party manifesto.