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1 posted on 12/02/2005 8:56:53 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/02/2005 8:57:30 AM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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Private employer has the right to set what it requires its private employees to sell.

Similarly, a private pharmacy has the right NOT to sell these products.

It's their choice.

The government need not be involved either way. The market will resolve.


3 posted on 12/02/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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How is it a violation of ones religious rights? Do your religious rights override your duty to perform you job as required by your employer? Don't want to dispense drugs that cause discomfort or possibly violate your religious standards? Don't become a pharmasist.


4 posted on 12/02/2005 8:58:49 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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Walgreen's is now on my poo-list.


6 posted on 12/02/2005 9:01:17 AM PST by JamesP81
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Change the damn law!! It's like saying a nurse MUST participate in an abortion to keep her job.


8 posted on 12/02/2005 9:01:41 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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If the pharmacists are Muslim, they will be reenstated with back pay, a promotion and get a year end bonus. If they're Catholic, they will be fired, have their licenses permanently revoked and spend two lifetimes in jail.


9 posted on 12/02/2005 9:01:49 AM PST by caisson71
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I don't really see the religious issue here. I'm a non-Christian, so I don't really care all that much about the religious beliefs of the person who waits on me in a store.

If my doctor prescribes a medication for me, I expect that prescription to be filled when I go to the pharmacy. Right now, I use Walgreens, because it is convenient for me to do so. My wife does, too. Between us, we give our local Walgreen's a good bit of business.

One refusal by Walgreen's to fill a prescription for either of us would instantly result in our transferring our prescriptions to another pharmacy. It would also cost that Walgreen's the multiple prescriptions of my wife'd parents, who are in their 80s and take lots and lots of meds.

I am not interested in the religious beliefs of the pharmacist. They are irrelevant to me. They will either fill all of my prescriptions, or they will be filling none of them.


11 posted on 12/02/2005 9:04:41 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Surprising that this sort of thing isn't settled with a 'terms of employment' contract.


12 posted on 12/02/2005 9:05:10 AM PST by M203M4
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I do believe the pharmacists have a right to not dispense the abortifacient that they find morally objectionable.

I also believe the employer has a right to terminate their position with the company if they will not comply with the terms of their employment.

Consider what most people would say if you hired a Muslim and they refused to honor customers' requests to purchase liquor and pork. You would be well within your rights to dismiss them from their job.

13 posted on 12/02/2005 9:05:10 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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There is no "religious rights" stuff involved here. If the pharmacists didn't like the rules, they shouldn't have worked there in the first place.

It is interesting to see how some perpetually-offended FReepers use double standards when it comes to certain issues. By the logic used here, that catholic school that fired that out of wedlock, pregnant teacher (for breaking her contract) had no reason to do so either.

What's good for the goose and all that.....


14 posted on 12/02/2005 9:05:15 AM PST by indcons (Don't question either my intelligence or my ability; I have none.)
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Walgreen policy says pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions to which they are morally opposed, except where state law prohibits, but they must take steps to have the prescription filled by another pharmacist or store, Bruce said.

It's the state, not Walgreen's that you should be directing your anger to, people...

21 posted on 12/02/2005 9:08:56 AM PST by mwyounce
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Walgreen's isn't to blame here as they are following the laws of the land.

Rod Blagojevich, however, who claims to be an Eastern Orthodox Christian, is to blame. I've got to find out what Archdiocese he claims to belong to and start pushing for a public excommunication!


22 posted on 12/02/2005 9:08:56 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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Sorry - if you work for a private concern (i.e., Walgreens in this case), you have an obligation to do what the job requires.

If you find you can't (whether for religious or any other reason), there are plenty of people who WILL do the job, despite Vicente Fox's admonition otherwise.

If you can't/won't do the job, then you need to find another job or employer.

Period.

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

27 posted on 12/02/2005 9:14:10 AM PST by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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A rule imposed by Gov. Rod Blagojevich in April

I didn't know that IL was now a dictatorship.

I hope Dear Leader Blogojevich doesn't outlaw cheese or Episcopalianism tomorrow on a whim.

32 posted on 12/02/2005 9:19:55 AM PST by wideawake
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The day is one day approaching when pharmacists may be asked to dispence suicide cocktails. Should the religious beliefs of the pharmacists also be ignored in this case, as the amoral morons demand?


36 posted on 12/02/2005 9:21:48 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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Do the demands of religious freedom for pharmacists include every religion, e.g. Christian Science, or only Catholicism and Christian Fundamentalism?


62 posted on 12/02/2005 9:37:12 AM PST by realist4ever
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While I commend these guys for sticking to their principles, I wonder if they refuse to dispense birth control pills as well? Birth control pills can act in the same way the morning after pill does: if fertilization does occur, the embryo is prevented from attaching to the uterine wall. In fact, that's what morning after pills are: high dose birth control pills.





63 posted on 12/02/2005 9:37:35 AM PST by two134711 (I have libertarian leanings, but my conservatism keeps those in check.)
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I hope the pharmacists DO sue, since it will be an interesting and important debate. Regardless of the notion of "employment at will," which is the law in all 50 US states, there are a number of exceptions to this rule which posits that an employer or and employee can end the employment relationship at any time for any reason. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, for example, provides that employers may not discriminate on the basis of religion (as well as race, national origin, sex, etc). In addition to the prohibition on discrimination, Title VII provides an AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION for employers to "accommodate" the religious beliefs and practices of their employees, so long as such accommodation does not consitute an "undue harship" on the employer. (Whine and bitch all you want about employer's rights and such, this law is on the books and until it is repealed [unlikely], employers who fail to follow it can be sued in federal civil court by the individuals or the EEOC).

Anyway, what this means is this: when Muslims want to pray during the workday, or a Jewish person wants to wear a yarmulke instead of their Burger King hat, or when Muslim police officers insist on wearing beards in violation of the uniform standards, their employers must either accommodate these religious practices, or be able to prove that to accommodate the religious practice would be an undue hardship on the employer's business.

It seems to me that these pharmacists have a case, namely: "You are requiring me to dispense a drug which violates my deeply held religious belief in the sanctity of life. I ask that an accommodation be made in order that I not be required to violate my religious beliefs and practices in order to keep this job. What accommodation, you ask? Oh, I don't know. Maybe find another Walgreens pharmacist to fill it?"

Walgreens will then try to make the case that any accommodation would be an undue hardship on the conduct of their business. Something along the lines of, "What you are forcing us to do is to have TWO pharmacists on duty when only one is really needed. This costs us lots of money and is inefficient and thereforce constitutes an undue hardship on our business."

And, a jury would decide who is right.

67 posted on 12/02/2005 9:40:48 AM PST by pettifogger
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it has put four Illinois pharmacists in the St. Louis area on unpaid leave for refusing to fill prescriptions for emergency contraception in violation of a state rule.

Abortifacients. Liars!

89 posted on 12/02/2005 9:57:19 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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If the 1st Amendment applies to the states with respect to free speech and "freedom from religion", then why doesn't the "free excercise" clause come into play?
94 posted on 12/02/2005 10:04:54 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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