A "virtual fence"? That's not what not stopped illegal border incursions into Israel, it was a real one.
Wow, this guy's logic boggles the mind. Get ready folks, we're about to be screwed big time.
I guess that would be really good at stopping virtual illegals, not to sure about real illegals.
Sorry Michael, but a temporary worker program is not critical to improved border security.
While we may need a new temporary worker program, many things must happen before that is ever implemented; starting with the 14th Amendment.
Is this guy for real? Talk about tortured reasoning...
"... it's going to be a smart fence, not a stupid fence"
What a magnificent use of Newspeak. "Stupid fence" = a fence, "Smart fence" = no fence at all
Chertoff misunderstands that the concept of a fence or wall is really very simple to most Americans - and we all understand how they work. Unfortunately, we also know how a "smart fence" works - or more aptly, doesn't work.
We don't need a cabinet department and billions of dollars to have defacto open borders. We can do that much more cost effectively. If Chertoff won't do his job, we'll just have to find another way.
Migration of the willing bump!
"Bush Administration Embraces Legalization, Film at 11:00".
How's that for irony.
Up is down, and down is up.
If they enact this so-called guest worker program, the flood will be a tidal wave. Hey, if they can get across the border, the people can get guest worker status. Hard to say if Chertoff really beleives the BS he's spouting, or if he's only being an obedient lackey, but the BS still stinks.
In either case, this is being driven by President Bush, and is one of the biggest mistakes he's made.
SECURE THE BORDER FIRST. Then, we'll talk about the rest of it. Without a secure border, they're whistling in the wind.
"Knowingly" isn't going to work. What we need is "strict liability," meaning that if a person hires an illegal alien, then that person is liable in both a criminal and civil enforcement proceeding, regardless of actual knowledge. While that may seem unfair, strict liability has long been the standard for statutory rape, service of alcohol to underaged drinkers, and many environmnetal laws.
"You could say in some ways we're going to have a virtual fence, because we're going to use a mix of technology and Border Patrol and infrastructure to create what is in effect a barrier to entry," Chertoff said. "But it's going to be a smart fence, not a stupid fence."
In other words, "why waste $10 billion building an Israeli type wall across our entire southern border when we can achieve half the results for ten times the price by building a 'virtual fence'."
My peons are so stupid, they'll believe anything!"
OMG, the ignorance of this man is just unbelievable.
Way, way before we begin to even think about a "guest worker" program, we need a strong, effective, and enforced program that imposes severe financial penalties and jail time for employers who hire Criminal Aliens. (Personally, IMHO, this one step will end about 90% of the invasion.) And we don't need any fancy new programs. Just tighten up and enforce the laws already on the books.
AFTER that program is tested, in place and shown to be working, we can start discussing a "guest worker" program.
And any effective guest worker program has to answer this question: After the "guest worker's" time expires, what iron-clad guarantee do we have that he will go home? What will prevent him from just disappearing into American society?
And one more thing. IMHO, this "jobs Americans won't do" is a bunch of BS. 15 years ago, before the Criminal Alien Invasion turned from a trickle into a flood, there were plenty of Americans to do these jobs. And there still are. But from a paperwork and accountability standpoint, it's much cheaper for the employer to hire a Criminal Alien than an American.
This "jobs Americans won't do" is code for, "jobs that only the Criminal Aliens will do 'cause the employers pay them way below scale and in cash." And the employers can get away with this since federal and state withholdings are not applied to the under the table cash payments to Criminal Aliens.
If there is a "guest worker" program, the (now legal?) Criminal Aliens will need to have a SSN so that federal, state and local taxes and FICA, etc. can be withheld from their paychecks. Which means the employers won't be able to pay them under the table. Which in turn means the employers won't be able to get away with below scale wages. So, from a pay standpoint, the Criminal Aliens will turn into Americans. And then where oh where will we find people to do the jobs that, "Americans won't do?"
The GOP is going to lose BIG in 06 and 08. Stupid Maroons! Don't they know that a big majority of red state voters are totally against this 'guest worker' program. Then they'll blame the voters.
Second class citizens -- slavery lite - NOT the American way.
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Chertoff you lying sack o $hit...STFU !!
"BS ALERT! BS ALERT! DANGER!!!DANGER!!!!
And now, the next "Big Tent/Big Gulp" Beverage that "Americans won't swallow anymore"
Sorry, Jerkoff Chertoff...America has become a " OBL-Moron Zone"
We are past the tipping point here! This is like the child caught doing something bad, and the lies get bolder and more wild as they flail around to find a way out of being caught and punished!
Why am I not surprised?