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LA Wonders: What's Wrong?
Automotive News ^ | November 28, 2005

Posted on 12/01/2005 4:27:07 PM PST by Dan Nunn

When one little company like Nissan North America pulls out of a great big city like Los Angeles, does anyone even notice?

They do when Nissan is the 80th corporation to do so since 2002.

The automaker's announcement that it will leave L.A. for Nashville, Tenn., may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

Just days after the announcement, the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp. fired off a letter to California's legislators, urging them to appoint a task force to consider changes in state tax and employment laws to help reduce business costs.

The 80 departing corporations are taking 13,000 jobs with them, the group says. And in an alarming shift, it warns that the corporate departures no longer are moving just midlevel jobs; they are claiming headquarters and r&d jobs, too.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: automakers; california; kalifornia; la; losangeles; nissan
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama

We must act now to stop the scourge of outsourcing jobs from California. California must impose punitive tariffs on all Japanese imports from Tennessee right away.


141 posted on 12/02/2005 9:16:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Jigsaw John
Most are not leaving

Good. Never said they were.

142 posted on 12/02/2005 9:20:41 AM PST by wardaddy (Merry Christmas ya'll)
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To: Travis McGee

From what I can glean:

One can sell a modest home in Kali for 500K to 1M. That money here will buy at least twice the home they left even though Nashville is the highest median home sale price in the SE.


143 posted on 12/02/2005 9:29:59 AM PST by wardaddy (Merry Christmas ya'll)
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To: sandyeggo

San diego native here too. I left for good in the mid-90's and never plan to return. I live in Oklahoma now, while it is not the greatest, it is a great improvement for me and my family. I guess it just depends on what you consider important.


144 posted on 12/02/2005 9:38:20 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome (I'm Okies love Dubya 2's "other half")
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To: defenderSD

Until the lefties find a way to nationalize these businesses the private sector will seek to defund the black hole known as the public sector. Atlas does shrug.


145 posted on 12/02/2005 9:39:49 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: wardaddy
Unless you happen to have 5 or so kids, who needs a 3000 plus square foot home? I sure don't. Look, I used to train armor crews in Kentucky. Went down into Tennessee several times. And I am here to tell you, anyone that would trade the west coast for that region needs their head examined. I mean it's 33 degrees right now in Nashville and the high will barely reach 44 today!

And winter hasn't even started yet!

146 posted on 12/02/2005 9:39:49 AM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: DoughtyOne; BunnySlippers

Every word of your post is the absolute, God's honest truth. (Except I've ridden the Orange line and it wasn't empty. One day we were packed in there like sardines.)

But yes, you speak the truth, whether "BunnySlippers" wants to believe you or not, and as a San Fernando Valley resident I can vouch for all of it.


147 posted on 12/02/2005 9:54:17 AM PST by Nea Wood (A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
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To: Jigsaw John

I like 4 seasons...but I understand folks who like Med Weather.

I spent a majority of 80-96 in the tropics.

My favortite overall climate for steady comfort would be maybe Guatemala City or Medellin Colombia....80s in the day and 50s at night


148 posted on 12/02/2005 12:24:26 PM PST by wardaddy (Merry Christmas ya'll)
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To: Jigsaw John
If they run once, they'll run again

No, that's not what that means. It means people pick their fights. That kinda goes along with individual freedoms and choice.

You have decided to stay and fight. So, find your like-minded neighbors in CA, and fight.

After reading this thread, it seems there are a lot of conservatives that would rather run, or move away from a fight than stick it out

It probably does look that way to you. Very understandable. But, I don't think that's true. I don't think people are moving out of CA just to avoid a "fight"; but rather other priorities have been considered. People generally "move" not because they are "avoiding a fight" but rather, they are pursuing better opportunities, or addressing more pressing needs.

I've never seen so many people that are willing to give up and run.

Run? Do you assume that everyone thinks like you? That what motivates them in life, is just like you?

I remember the early "exodus" of a number of my conservative pals out of CA. I was sad to see them go. Not a single one was leaving to avoid a "fight". Nor was "abandoning" the state foremost in their minds. They each saw better opportunities elsewhere. For themselves. For their families. For careers. For education. For Jobs. Etc.

Clearly, you don't not have either such a pressing need for opportunity or any other such motivation to leave the state of CA. Good! I'm glad for you.

149 posted on 12/02/2005 12:39:02 PM PST by Alia
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To: wardaddy
That's about like CA, but without the humidity they have down there. It's bad. My deal is I love the weather and the spectacular geography of CA, and that's why I have little reason to go anywhere else. Most from here are very spoiled by the weather, and some actually have great difficulity adjusting to weather extremes in other regions. Besides, I could never get my wife to leave!

:)

150 posted on 12/02/2005 12:40:14 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Alia
Clearly, you don't not have either such a pressing need for opportunity

Opportunity?

Regardless and in spite of the politics here, CA is the largest economic engine in America. Bar none. There is no other place that offers more opportunity, or has more jobs to offer. One could only imagine, with better leaders, the potential of CA. That being said about the economy, I would never give up the weather here for anywhere else. The fact is, those that leave, or (run away) generally have done so due to the influx of those from Mexico. But unfortunately, that's everywhere now. Read the posts, listen to the radio talk shows. They tell the real story.

Sorry but people don't leave the largest economy in the country, to some place like Denver for "opportunity". Not hardly.

Regardless of where people live Alia, if they don't like what's going on, they must become involved. Otherwise, the only choice left is to run.

151 posted on 12/02/2005 1:20:53 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: wardaddy

As long as they don't bring that Kali attitude with them and whine about school funding (has nothing to do with performance) or want to spend my tax dollars on a Franklin Symphony or demand gay marriage.

And if the can't handle some monuments to our brave Confederate dead then they are going to have me shoving their artichoke hearts up their...nevermind! ;-)


152 posted on 12/02/2005 7:41:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: Jigsaw John

You are not factoring in the quality of life, the taxes, the regulations, the meddlesome politicians, etc.

Your definition of opportunity is narrow.


153 posted on 12/02/2005 7:44:24 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: Fledermaus

Hear Hear!

I donate to the private McGavock CSA Cemetary at Carnton myself....money well spent.


154 posted on 12/02/2005 7:44:26 PM PST by wardaddy (Merry Christmas ya'll)
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To: Dan Nunn

Why can't these idiots in the press get things right? If some business left, say, Houston and moved to Ventura, CA would they report, "Company moves to LA"? No.

Nissan IS NOT MOVING TO NASHVILLE! Get that you liberal moron journalists? NASHVILLE ISN'T THE ONLY CITY IN TENNESSEE you braindead jerks.


155 posted on 12/02/2005 7:46:01 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: js1138
"I don't think it's a simple as taxes. NYC has taxes out the wazoo and is booming."

Yes, but aren't the industrial centers in upstate New York dying? Syracuse just lost Carrier Air Conditioning for instance.

156 posted on 12/02/2005 7:49:30 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: BunnySlippers

I love LA myself, but the key is to live close to where you work, or work from home. I moved reluctantly to Orange County from a close in LA neighborhood for the money. Life is very pleasant, but I prefer the hustle and bustle of big cities.


157 posted on 12/02/2005 7:50:58 PM PST by Torie
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To: wardaddy

Did you read they tore down the old Pizza Hut a block from Carter House? YIPPIE! Finally we are getting the land back.

Besides, they kindly moved to a newer digs at the new Target/Kroger center at Mack Hatcher and Columbia. Talk about huge. And there is almost no one there when I go shopping. Unlike the Wal-Mart at Cool Springs where it takes an hour just to find parking.

As things on Columbia start going away (like the factories that are now mostly empty) we need to reclaim more land to preserve if we can. But even I'm a hypocrite. My apartment sits just north of the Harpeth (near the Peoples Church across from the Franklin YMCA at Mack Hatcher and South Royal Oaks) and we had a small garrison that was staged here. But then again about every piece of land around us was part of the battle.

The wife and I visited Chattanooga recently (believe it or not we'd never been there) and I was surprised about how much I didn't know that the battle their lead almost directly to the ones here in Franklin and Nashville. I never got too detailed in the Civil War beyond battle site here, one there, etc. It was very interesting.

And, yes, I saw Rock City! lol Good to hear from you again. Merry Christmas to you and your family.


158 posted on 12/02/2005 7:53:24 PM PST by Fledermaus (Don't Ever Make Our Constituents Realize Any Truth)
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To: DoughtyOne

The economics of LA (the city) dictate that the place will become more and more a place of the well to do, and those that service them, and folks without school aged children. Nothing really can stop that train. Even the garmet industry sweat shops will slowly disappear. Illegals get higher wages than those in China do, much higher.


159 posted on 12/02/2005 7:54:23 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sam Cree
NYC is booming. The rest of the state is an economic basket case. Bad climate, bad amenities, bad economics. NYC is booming because it is a great place to live if you have money, and more and more folks do. The place is becoming more like central Paris. Neighborhoods within easy reach of the Manhattan magnet are all gentrifying.
160 posted on 12/02/2005 7:58:20 PM PST by Torie
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