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[Vanity] Does this stuff belong in an 8th Grade Science Textbook? You tell me.
Spiff | 21/1/2005 | Spiff

Posted on 12/01/2005 11:27:55 AM PST by Spiff

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To: Brilliant
Correct me if I'm wrong--no one on FR should have a problem with that--but Einstein's equation didn't debunk the statement in question. The full statement is "matter can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed." Einstein showed that there is a relationship between mass and energy.
41 posted on 12/01/2005 11:48:21 AM PST by pgyanke (The history of man is the story of God reaching out for His people and continually being refused.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Darn, in the time it took me to go find how to do a <sup> command, you beat me to it.
42 posted on 12/01/2005 11:48:47 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Spiff
"Your Environment is You: ...Winston Churchill"

Notice the way this point tries to bolster credibility by using historical (and conservative) figures such as Churchill to make a point. I just don't think the environment (as defined by The Sierra Club) is what Churchill had in mind by this quote.

It appears clear that this book--should the students buy into these principles--lays the groundwork for everything anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-conservative (as a polical ideology, not as an environmental one.)

I don't blame you one bit for your concerns. Question is, what are you going to do about them?

43 posted on 12/01/2005 11:49:53 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Spiff

Guess I'm just cynical. Did you read it cover to cover?


44 posted on 12/01/2005 11:49:57 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: Spiff
There is way to much opinion in there for a science text book.

This is brainwashing plain and simple.

Keep in mind your kid has to memorize this and will be tested on it, getting the wrong "opinion" will result in being penalized.

I.E. Follow the teachers beliefs and make them your own, and pass, think differently, and fail.

The long term damage will harm the kids critical thinking skills along with harming the childs ability to engage in systematic reasoning.

45 posted on 12/01/2005 11:50:16 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Spiff
Do you really want to send your kids to a school where the teachers have to purchase with their own money the books being used? I thought charter schools were a step up, not a step down.

At least with a "normal" public school, the books and teaching agenda are approved by a school board.

46 posted on 12/01/2005 11:50:34 AM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Spiff

And my teenagers keep argueing with me because they want to go to public school!

Even the scant amount of real science presented here is wrong or modified, and I would think 8th graders could learn the lavws of thermodynamics in equation form, but I digress.

Good luck with your fight, I hope you get this text retracted (or better yet the teacher fired).


47 posted on 12/01/2005 11:50:43 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: SMARTY
Guess I'm just cynical. Did you read it cover to cover?

Not yet. This is just what I found by doing some skimming of the book. This stuff pops right out at you.

48 posted on 12/01/2005 11:50:59 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff

You have presented an excellent description of a textbook that is being used to indoctrinate our children. My own son is a senior in a public high school, and is required to spend time reading Newsweak and Time in one of his classes. This is the only real news most of his classmates receive. He has gotten into some heated debates with some of the other kids regarding the "facts" and has used Free Republic to back up his arguments.

So, my advice to any and all parents is start re-educating them young, which I am sure you (and most other Freepers) have already done. I just wish some of my relatives would get wise to the public (and some private) schools. The forces of leftist mis-education are strong, and must be confronted directly, before they destroy this great country.


49 posted on 12/01/2005 11:51:57 AM PST by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: FreedomCalls

I'm not a physics' major, but I'm pretty sure that Einstein's equation doesn't prove that matter can be created, but merely that a lot of energy exists in a small amount of matter (mass).


50 posted on 12/01/2005 11:53:21 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Spiff
Brontosaurus Principle

Out of date. Should read "Apatosaurus Principle."

51 posted on 12/01/2005 11:53:24 AM PST by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: mlc9852

"I wouldn't let my children by taught by an atheist. This is what you get."

The problem with the book isn't that it advocates an atheistic view. The problem with the book is that it is non-scientific and nutty. There are plenty of nuts in the world and not all of them are atheists.


52 posted on 12/01/2005 11:53:50 AM PST by Avenger
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To: Spiff
All humans are created with an equal right to live in dignity and peace and to work out a meaningful existence. Everyone is entitled to a fair share of the world's resources--provided one is carrying one's own share of the responsibilities.

Explain to the principal that this statement cannot be either proved or disproved by application of the scientific method. If he/she disagrees, ask where you may find ANY peer-reviewed scientific paper that demonstrates this conclusion as a reproducable empiracle fact.

If he/she does agree, ask whether it is scientific to present non-scientific statements as scientific principles in a science text book.

Even better, have your daughter write an essay on why this "principle" is not scientific and why it renders the whole list of "fundamental laws of human ecology" a work of political philosophy with not one iota of scientific value.

53 posted on 12/01/2005 11:54:18 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: longshadow
The text is a political indoctrination tract masquarading as a science text. It blurs the line between scientific theories, facts, & laws and political opinions and principles.

Brilliant. 'Nuff said.

54 posted on 12/01/2005 11:54:51 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Spiff

Ping for a later read and response.


55 posted on 12/01/2005 11:56:49 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: pgyanke

Not right though. It's not simply an equivalency equation.

Matter can actually be turned into energy via particle decay. And once it is turned into energy, it's no longer matter.

Actually, it might be a little misleading to say that it can be "turned into" energy, because matter is considered to be a form of energy. But not all forms of energy are matter, so if a particle turns for example into a photon (light), then it's no longer matter.

And the reverse can also happen. You can turn two photons into a positron and an electron, i.e. matter.


56 posted on 12/01/2005 11:57:20 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Spiff

I wonder if the principal had looked at this book. I would be very interested in the outcome of your meeting.

I'd also be interested in whether the principal can justify why the kids should have any idea what the teacher's religous beliefs, or lack thereof, are. The teacher should not be talking about religion at all in his class.


57 posted on 12/01/2005 11:57:20 AM PST by RonF
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To: Spiff
Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. Energy = Life and the operative words here are, 'CANNOT BE CREATED'.

"Now, in what science class do you write why you agree or disagree with the First Law of Thermodynamics? In the 8th grade?!"

It's my recollection that this particular 'law' is old and time tested ammunition for the anti-faith crowd. It's been a long time since I read it but I remember it was especially pat and tidy broadside against religion. (Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope)

However, if your child has been exposed to the 'pat and tidy' BS, she is expected to regurgitate the proper answer to this question, without even thinking about it.

58 posted on 12/01/2005 11:58:09 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: Avenger
The problem with the book isn't that it advocates an atheistic view.

You didn't read the whole article, did you? Admit it, we're all FRiends here. If you had read it all, you would have seen that our author found numerous consistencies with pagan and atheist agendas and documented them.

59 posted on 12/01/2005 11:58:41 AM PST by pgyanke (The history of man is the story of God reaching out for His people and continually being refused.)
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To: Spiff

later read/pingout.

Many kids' text books (acutally most that I have seen, but I haven't seen many lately) are rife with leftist crap.


60 posted on 12/01/2005 11:58:53 AM PST by little jeremiah
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